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06-18-2012, 07:53 AM
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banned
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$350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
1 package. 4 ITM. ~20 left.
OR is 18/10/3-AF (700+ hands). V.good reg with 90% roi at $150 abi.
BTN is 30/14/2 - 3bet (95 hands). Pretty bad.
BB is 15/10/3 (700+ hands). TAG reg.
I run 18/13/10/3 -AF.
PartyGaming - $325+$25|50/100 NL - Holdem - 10 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
MP+2: 5,040.00
LP: 5,770.00
CO: 2,609.00
BTN: 4,381.00
Hero (SB): 6,346.00
BB: 6,670.00
UTG: 7,755.00
UTG+1: 9,214.00
MP: 21,006.00
MP+1: 2,355.00
Hero posts SB 50.00, BB posts BB 100.00
Pre Flop: (150.00) Hero has A  8
fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 200.00, fold, fold, BTN calls 200.00, Hero calls 150.00, BB calls 100.00
Flop: (800.00, 4 players) 4  7  8
Hero checks, BB checks, MP+2 checks, BTN checks
Turn: (800.00, 4 players) 9
Hero....
I also don`t like pre, but since OR is pretty tight and my image was active (I already squeezed on several occasions) I thought 3betting won`t be great there. And I haven`t folded bc flat-caller was pretty bad.
What do you like ott? I don`t like c/c much and if I lead turn I`d hate it after being raised (though I don`t expect to get raised often).
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06-18-2012, 10:43 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Greece
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
You have to bet the turn.Decent hand,you ll get called by worst fd,str8d,+ if you hit the nut flush your hand is a bit disguised.
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06-18-2012, 11:35 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
I would fold preflop. Don't want to play this hand OOP multiway. If you squeeze and get called, you are also OOP with a marginal hand.
Problem with betting turn is what do you do if raised on wet board.
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06-18-2012, 12:52 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
dont flat pre.. now i think its more strong to c/r than to lead
i would flat in bb tho
Last edited by leitalopez; 06-18-2012 at 12:57 PM.
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06-18-2012, 01:27 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
don't think c/c is bad especially in sat
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06-18-2012, 05:57 PM
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journeyman
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
The chance of getting raised ott is close to zero.the only reason going for the ch/c would be the one that drama said.
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06-18-2012, 06:16 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 49
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
Being oop, woouldnt you have to bet a river brick if you bet turn? Say river is a Jx, would we bet small repping 10, bet our 8 or c/f?
I too prefer the passive line this time around.
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06-18-2012, 09:03 PM
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banned
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
Yes, probably, both c/c and leading are viable options.
C/c has merits bc most players involved are aggressive and it allows to widen their ranges, but after c/c-ing turn it will be difficult to extract value otr.
Leading also has merits bc I don`t expect them to raise my lead often (after that flop "action") and I guess we barely have 20% vs raising range, which makes it an easy lead/f. And it will be easier to extract, hitting flush otr.
Also leading we get value from some weak draws (which we`re way ahead of) & worst FD.
Thus, I like leading more.
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Originally Posted by joseperez
Being oop, woouldnt you have to bet a river brick if you bet turn? Say river is a Jx, would we bet small repping 10, bet our 8 or c/f?
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I think it`s villain dependent and I`d be more excited to do it vs BTN (both bc he`s a weaker player and bc he`s IRP).
If BB or OR flat-calls ott then J otr hits their ranges very hard IMO.
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06-18-2012, 10:18 PM
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adept
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
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Originally Posted by luadarko
The chance of getting raised ott is close to zero.
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lets assume the only hand that raises turn is JT which is not necessarily true
discounting a bunch of hands that didn't bet the flop
the probability of 1/3 players having exactly JT is most def not zero
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06-18-2012, 11:13 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
can someone tell me arguments for not c/raise turn please? i think its a vgood option
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06-21-2012, 06:58 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Re: $350, WPT Cyprus sat, sdv+nfd m-way ott
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Originally Posted by leitalopez
can someone tell me arguments for not c/raise turn please? i think its a vgood option
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we will be perceived correctly to rep no value hands and reopen the action.
I think I like leading better than c/c given that MP2 and Button will fold a very high percentage of the time and BB's range is weak.
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