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11-16-2014 , 08:44 PM

deener2143

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$350 live tourney, 2000 entrants with 150 left post bubble. Antes and blinds are 1k/5k/10k.

CO: Hero 190k. Mid 20's, I have been playing solid TAG and worked stack up to 400k before taking bad beat. Villain is new to table however.
D: 200k
SB: Villain 300k Just came to table with no reads yet, middle aged guy.
BB: 90K

Actions folds to Hero with 6

. Raise to 22K. D folds, Villain 3-bets to 57k and BB folds. Hero?

Would like to hear thoughts on the best play here. Do we fold or jam here?

Spoiler:

11-16-2014 , 08:55 PM

ChiefBlackfoot

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Probably folding live cuz you should have no fold equity and are generally well behind a range of a live player that will usually flat a lot of hands that might 3b/get in online.

11-17-2014 , 03:19 PM

abracadabrab

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Folding way better than jamming. Calling is obviously worse option.

If you jam, 266,000 in pot (assuming 9-handed) and 132,000 to villain to call. He's getting better than 2:1 and hard to see competent opponent folding. Obviously not much info on villain. Don't see much middle aged, non descript opponents 3-betting here oop w these stack sizes w hands you beat. You're probably either crushed or flipping at best.

Fold and you still have ~17bbs and chance to reshove in a better spot and either chip up or getting your chips in a better spot.

11-22-2014 , 02:30 AM

HeDaMost

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I would open shove pre in this spot with a range that looks something like 55-99, KQ-KJ, AT-AT.

Although I still have r/c and r/f ranges here.

11-26-2014 , 05:12 PM

Black Aces 518

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yeah, would've open-jammed pre. fold now, middle aged live guy's 3b range here is looking good vs you.

11-26-2014 , 06:00 PM

ChiefBlackfoot

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open ripping seems kind of icky although it shows a profit.. I just think you'll get better spots by small balling.

11-30-2014 , 08:49 AM

reziduer

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Fold pre> open shove
Now Call> fold> jam.
Not trolling.

11-30-2014 , 09:34 PM

abracadabrab

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Quote:

Originally Posted by reziduer

Fold pre> open shove
Now Call> fold> jam.
Not trolling.

So you're folding pre with 19bb's when it's folded to you in the CO and you have 66 and you have a 20bb, a 30bb and a 9bb, respectively, behind you to act?

And, as played, you're calling for almost a third of your stack pre with 66 vs a 3-bet from a player(who is oop)who is middle aged and whom we have no reads on?? And you're plan for the flop, where the pot will be 133,000 and you will have exactly 1 psb left??

12-01-2014 , 09:54 AM

betgo

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Open push initially is better. This is close to the ideal hand to overshove with. If you raise, generally r/f, particularly live and particularly at this buyin. This sizing makes it an easy fold, and the fact that villain is unknown middle aged makes it easier.

12-01-2014 , 11:15 AM

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reziduer

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Shove m10 on the buble with 66...
On any flop we have backdoor quads draw...

12-01-2014 , 11:55 AM

#11

Black Aces 518

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Quote:

Originally Posted by reziduer

Shove m10 on the buble with 66...
On any flop we have backdoor quads draw...

It isn't on the bubble. We are in the money. Please give calling ranges for the 3 remaining villains that makes shoving -EV.

12-01-2014 , 12:59 PM

#12

jimbobwe00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by reziduer

Fold pre> open shove
Now Call> fold> jam.
Not trolling.

oh goodness

12-02-2014 , 12:54 AM

#13

reziduer

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I see you guys are still learning the game...

12-02-2014 , 01:19 AM

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reziduer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

It isn't on the bubble. We are in the money. Please give calling ranges for the 3 remaining villains that makes shoving -EV.

Even if they call perfect we still win 1.5bb on a shove.
If someone can explain to me why risking our stack for 1.5 is the better play in the long run it will be great.

OP I think you should 4bet 99+,AJs+,AQo+ against this V.

12-02-2014 , 02:05 AM

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ChiefBlackfoot

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Taking almost all +1.5 BB spots is a no brainer especially with fold equity. Plus people do not generally call nearly close to perfectly. Shoving stuff like 66 AJo KQo has its merits vs. people who love to flat nowadays (and generally always have in live tourns) but maybe fold too wide to overshoves not accounting for the likelihood that hero almost never shoves 19 BB with QQ+.

edit: I know I said shoving 66 seems icky earlier but if somehow it makes that much I retract my comment.

12-02-2014 , 02:53 AM

#16

betgo

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Over pushing 66 does not gain anywhere near 1.5xBB, but it is still the best play.

12-02-2014 , 04:53 AM

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reziduer

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darn it, mb this is why I never win in MTT's.

12-02-2014 , 09:59 AM

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betgo

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The push gains maybe 1.2xBB. The problem is if you r/f, you don't get that much more than if you r/fed 75s or JTo or whatever. The hand doesn't play that well postflop this shallow and it generally isn't profitable to continue against a 3b or shove.

12-02-2014 , 10:04 AM

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oldsilver

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