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02-07-2012, 02:04 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: "min plus a green"
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
i dont like your cold-4bet size given positions and stack depths.
if the opener folds (which i think is going to be the case the majority of the time given your perceived tag image of his, this instance, however, being an exception) the 3bettor can likely hood flat your 4bet with the airy part of his range that plays ok postflop and put you in a lot of messed spots otf and on later streets with stack depths as deep as they are.
i think i'd probably make it like 2200-2300 and see how that changes things and go from there.
as played, its the 30 f cubed, who cares? dont fold to the 5bet, get it in and win
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02-07-2012, 02:23 AM
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#17
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: @UnreaLJamiL
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
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Originally Posted by Jamil11
bigger on the 3bet.
don't like flatting or 4 bet/fold.
enough in there where 4b/6b works for me.
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4bet*
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02-07-2012, 03:06 AM
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#18
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: "min plus a green"
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
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Originally Posted by Jamil11
4bet*
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i knew what you meant
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02-07-2012, 04:58 AM
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#19
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
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Originally Posted by theczar19
i dont like your cold-4bet size given positions and stack depths.
if the opener folds (which i think is going to be the case the majority of the time given your perceived tag image of his, this instance, however, being an exception) the 3bettor can likely hood flat your 4bet with the airy part of his range that plays ok postflop and put you in a lot of messed spots otf and on later streets with stack depths as deep as they are.
i think i'd probably make it like 2200-2300 and see how that changes things and go from there.
as played, its the 30 f cubed, who cares? dont fold to the 5bet, get it in and win 
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didn't have the impression that MP1 is the hoody type (even tho a vamo)
if mp1 was you or NSB I'd cold4/get it in to like 2215 or ~
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02-07-2012, 10:18 AM
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#20
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: glastonbury(now london)
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
where did our 86bbs go?
firstly,i like the 4bet,it helps us define there hands.esp if we think the 3bet might be light.
but once we get the 5bet min raise,thats our chance to go,,oh well we are beat,and make the sigh fold
our ako seems like its getting crushed too often to make this profitable to stack of here
mp1 must have the top of his range,and if its a min5bet with aqs then goodluck to him!
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02-07-2012, 11:40 AM
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#21
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veteran
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
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Originally Posted by theczar19
i knew what you meant 
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02-07-2012, 10:45 PM
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#22
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Stanford , CA USA
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
Most definitely call never 4bet and never 6bet all in as it happened with the stacks involved and positions and raise sizing that seems like please put me all in or give me action kind of line.
At all points a call with AKo is definitely plus EV by far (even the first time) given the small size we need to pay, especially the second time around that we need to pay only 6bb to see 42bb flop. Are you kidding me? Thats ultra positive and we hit big over 20% of the time here (50% equity) and over 17% we are even over 80% equity.
The push is terrible at the end given the sizes again because at this point i see the guy having basically QQ-AA,AK left (he cant fold any of these hands as what he needs to call has always >38% equity vs even a tight hero range of QQ-AA,AK so imagine vs perceived wider or bluffs- in essence he can only think folding TT,JJ here if he had them as 5bet which i doubt he did). I mean why 5bet so small (him) basically without any fold equity if you have been doing it with AQ or TT even JJ. These hands do not want to see flops expensive, they want you to fold or control the situation. The small elevation of raises that is almost never folded even if one had semigarbage when 4betting is indicative of i want action approach. So AKo is running into fire here by pushing. The call however is super positive and shows weakness that can be exploited post flop when it is the opponent that will be forced to do the cbet not us.
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02-07-2012, 11:24 PM
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#23
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
Stacking off with a snug image in this spot is pretty terrible. I think folding the first time is best, flat AKs. As played the 5-bet is LOL strong, fold to that in spite of the price we are getting because there won't be many safe flops against his range.
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02-08-2012, 09:09 AM
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#24
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Midwest
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raven byrne
where did our 86bbs go?
firstly,i like the 4bet,it helps us define there hands.esp if we think the 3bet might be light.
but once we get the 5bet min raise,thats our chance to go,,oh well we are beat,and make the sigh fold
our ako seems like its getting crushed too often to make this profitable to stack of here
mp1 must have the top of his range,and if its a min5bet with aqs then goodluck to him!
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The king on poker ITT.
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02-08-2012, 11:30 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Location:Location
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
we're getting 6 to 1 to see a flop, why put more $ in pre playing oop?
Although it's for 20% of out stack...
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02-08-2012, 12:41 PM
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#26
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: think better when im not sober
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
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Originally Posted by theczar19
as played, its the 30 f cubed, who cares? dont fold to the 5bet, get it in and win 
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i care, bryan.
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02-08-2012, 11:39 PM
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#27
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 277
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
doesnt seem a good stackoff spot
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02-08-2012, 11:49 PM
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#28
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Toronto Canada
Posts: 46
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
i think its totally fine to fold here. i also would prob make my 4b a little bigger. with all that action it's hard to imagine you being in any kind of decent shape. fold and don't tell nothing wrong with that IMO
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02-11-2012, 01:09 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zu
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
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Originally Posted by 1banditpanda
doesnt seem a good stackoff spot
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+1
Was it AA or KK?
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02-11-2012, 07:35 AM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: in yo face
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Re: 33cubed pre spot , post addon
I would 4b w intention to get it in vs the 3bettor and fold vs the 5bet of IR.....
Dont think he's ever light here this early w images as they are
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