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Old 06-20-2012, 11:48 PM   #1
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3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

Inspired by bwslim, I'm posting these hands from the same tournament. These 3 hands have been bothering me.

Setup: New table with about 70-80 ish left, 36 paid.

Hand 1: I've only been at the table for a few hands. Villain 1 has been active and opened 3 of the 5 ish hands that I've been at the table and been fairly aggressive postflop. Villain 2 seems to be active, but of the calling variety.

400/800

V1(co): 90k
V2(bu): 75k
Hero(bb): 50k

Folds to V1 who opens to 2200. V2 flats. I flat BB with K876ddss.

Pot: 7000

Flop is 985cch

I check(?), V1 bets 4600, bu snap pots to 20800. I?

Hand 2:

Same table, a few hands later. Villain 1 is the V2 from previous hand. He has been moderately aggressive since then. Villain 2 is a shortstacked player who is itching to get it in.

500/1000

V1 (CO): 90k
V2 (BU): 15k
Hero (SB): 46k

CO opens 3500, V2 flats, I flat with AKQTddd (pot open threw me off. BB is Amnnon Flippi, who has about 70k and has been loose.)

Flop Q46r

Checks through

Turn Js putting backdoor spades.

I check(?), Co quickly pots 11500, BU tanks and calls all in. I?

Hands 3:

An orbit or 2 later, same table. V1 is CO from hand 1. He is short from losing set over set in a must get it in spot. He's been waiting for a spot to get it in.

600/1200

V1 (utg): 13k
Hero (mp): 28k

V1 pots 4200 UTG, I have QJT8cc in MP. I?

The players behind are relatively tight, with Amnon and another somewhat loose player and a bunch of tight players left to act.

I'm fairly certain I butchered hands 1 and 2 so far. Hand 3 I just want to make sure of a seemingly standard spot.

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Old 06-21-2012, 06:27 AM   #2
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

first hand really sucks but id go with it, second hand I think you should overcall but its close... 3rd hand id flat though CIB is pretty cool bc if someone overcalls and utg goes allin you can repot
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:34 AM   #3
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

Thoughts on Repot Hand 2 pre? Isos the shortstack and removes a lot of our positional disadvantage from being in the SB in spots like this. Our hand also plays better with a lower SPR given we pretty much always make TP, whereas the current SPR of 4+ when we flat is a little awkward with 1 pair?

Has reasonable fold equity vs. opener and the shorty as well.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:53 AM   #4
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

1 - fold, somewhat easily

2 - fold, very close

3 - I guess call, fold dry flops, commit on the other 75%
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:54 AM   #5
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

Hand 1 I think u have to go with

Hand 2 is close I don't really mind either option

Hand 3 call
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:25 PM   #6
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

Hand 2 please lead exactly half of shorty's stack on the flop.

Hand 1 I think I'd get it in, but if villain one had been described as less aggro post-flop I could see folding.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:17 PM   #7
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

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Thoughts on Repot Hand 2 pre?.
Kinda like this and if flatted we are just shoving flop

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1 - fold, somewhat easily

2 - fold, very close

3 - I guess call, fold dry flops, commit on the other 75%
Agree with 1 and 3 though I think you can do w/e with hand 3 (call, CIB like Charder, pot)

I think hand 2 is a pretty basic turn call closing the action.
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:46 AM   #8
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

I think hand 1 is a fold but its pretty close... hand 2 i agree with ben and leading flop is best.. and hand 3 i flat pre
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:40 AM   #9
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Re: 3 Venetian 600 PLO hands

Thanks for the responses everyone.

Hand 1 is evenly split, but what about a lead in this spot? This flop texture gets checked through a fair amount of the time, and if i get raised, I can get it in without having to play the turn.

What about if button had folded, easy raise?

Hand 2: Like I thought, I played pre and flop wrong. Last turn decision is close. Love the idea of betting half the shorties stack. It's something we consider pre, but sometimes forget postflop.

Is there any merit to leading turn? The only hand that only there is JJ or really random 2 pairs as I think QJ is betting flop.

Hand 3: I guess I don't fully understand pot limit tournament dynamics. I figured utg is committing himself somewhat wide and that my hand plays very well vs that range. I guess in a no ante structure, he is not as wide and my hand plays well postflop vs multiple people.
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