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Old 07-17-2012, 12:03 AM   #1
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2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

vill1 is playing 24/15/3.5 3bet over 600 hands
vill2 is playing 25/17/8.6 3bet over 550 hands and cbets 71% in 3bet pots

I decided not to 4bet get it in pre because i was playing tight in this table-
I didnt had a plan for the hand was just planning to call and decide on later streets but i was confused by the turn check.
On the river i dunno if he can ve value betting worse since my hand doesnt look that strong, i didnt think he had the Ah that much because i think he would bet it on the turn (is that ok?) but i dont see what hands can i beat.


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $300 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13537342

BB: 2,600 (32.5 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 5,753 (71.9 bb)
UTG+2: 2,325 (29.1 bb)
MP1: 529 (6.6 bb)
MP2: 3,714 (46.4 bb)
MP3: 3,451 (43.1 bb)
CO: 5,411 (67.6 bb)
BTN: 5,588 (69.9 bb)
SB: 2,129 (26.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
Hero raises to 200, UTG+2 calls 200, 3 folds, CO raises to 560, 3 folds, Hero calls 360, UTG+2 folds

Flop: (1,440) K 7 J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 640, Hero calls 640

Turn: (2,720) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (2,720) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 1,440, Hero ???
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:15 AM   #2
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Re: 2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

Yes he almost always bets turn ah, call.. Could value bet worse and bluff. Raising could be ok since you have best hand almost always and he could hero
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:35 AM   #3
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Re: 2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

- he didnt bet the turn, with stack sizes as they are i would expect the nut flush would try to build a pot big enough to get it in on the river without overbetting the pot, and also get value from sets
- u wont have (m)any Xh cards in ur range except Ah or Qh -> widens villain's bluffing range, he could have TT without a heart and try to bluff u off KQ without a heart
- u are underreped with ur passive line -> u widened villain's betting range as much as possible
- the few hands that beat u, AA/AK/AQ with the Ah are all blocked, i assume he doesnt have worse aces in his 3betting pre range

i think this is a fairly easy call

edit: hard to tell what he 3bets pre with, not sure if he does that with TT or hands like that, but 8.6% 3bet over 550 hands is not a bad sample size and this is def not QQ+ and Ak, especially with a flat caller

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:05 PM   #4
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Re: 2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

bet river, as played call.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:26 PM   #5
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Re: 2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

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bet river, as played call.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:10 PM   #6
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Re: 2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

why not bet the river like 2/3 pot?
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:19 AM   #7
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Re: 2nd nut flush in 3bet pot

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...i didnt think he had the Ah that much because i think he would bet it on the turn (is that ok?) but i dont see what hands can i beat...
This is quite contradictory. If he doesn't have the A that much then you beat all of his bluffs. He knows you don't have the A and he doesn't have to have a . You have checked twice with the board four flushed so you might not have a heart.

I don't think he would necessarily bet A on the turn because typically people don't call 2 bets without the nuts on a four flush board. So I do think he has A a lot. And I don't think he would turn a set into a bluff. But he might actually be value betting a set. Or foolishly turning a showdownable hand into a bluff.

I probably call but b/f looks like it might be better because he has to call you down with a decent hand in case you are bluffing. And he is rarely bluff raising.
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