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09-10-2016 , 09:05 PM
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/7766713

any regrets, when jamming this river?
To me Villain should have a very hard time calling off (leaving himslef 4 BB, 40 away from the MONNIES)

Anyway you would have played differently?, I guess pre and flop are pretty standard, I turn the best card in the deck pretty much (except for a 3), and set up for a river jam.
09-10-2016 , 09:18 PM
once you play it like that you have to jam river....seems fine to me. He is never folding a flush though bvsb...just hoping he had a 1 pair hand
09-10-2016 , 09:44 PM
I don't really think you want to lead turn, from range v range standpoint you have a clear disadvantage in 6x and flushes. it also doesn't make a ton of sense with this hand which has enough equity (can xc turn vs. normal sizings) that it shouldn't really need to be turned into a bluff.

As played it's really not a great spot as BB can have ATC flushes so your blocker is not nearly as significant as it would be in other spots. Ah blocks a decent amount of his folding range as well. and you don't really rep flushes that well and he has a lot of 6x that can be interested in calling. i probably fire river as well but I think turn is misplayed.
09-11-2016 , 01:52 AM
X turn you'll get a free river alot. You can x/r ott or xc depending
X/take showdown or xrai otr

Last edited by lolposting2016; 09-11-2016 at 01:59 AM.
09-11-2016 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
X turn you'll get a free river alot. You can x/r ott or xc depending
X/take showdown or xrai otr
Actually i wasnt interested in a free showdown that much. I was pretty sure, that villain had 7x or an overpair. so i thought i had a good chance of getting him off that. and if i check and make my hand, i will get paid nothing most likely.

However your points about c/r turn or river are valid. that would have been slightly stronger and given me more chances to win the hand.

And you see, you can also advise without that aggression...
09-11-2016 , 11:24 AM
Theres a decent chance he checks turn and checks river which isn't worst result
Id probably x turn and just lead all in otr
09-11-2016 , 11:30 AM
You could also use a 100-110% sizing to keep some str8s in your range
09-12-2016 , 09:39 AM
chk/jam turn and overbet shove the river if he checks behind
can't think of any range i bet 9k with ott
09-12-2016 , 11:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolposting2016
You could also use a 100-110% sizing to keep some str8s in your range
WP
09-14-2016 , 11:02 AM
I wonder why nobody is giving OP hell for limp-calling this hand pre-flop. Fundamentally bad. Either limp/3b or limp fold, or raise, but limp-calling seems to be an extremely bad move.

Turn lead is bad. If you want to bluff, as posters here said check/jam turn, or if he checks behind (which he will most of the times), overbet shove river. Although I think check/jamming turn is kinda marginal, if he is betting this turn it means he has 6x or flush himself.
09-14-2016 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
I wonder why nobody is giving OP hell for limp-calling this hand pre-flop. Fundamentally bad. Either limp/3b or limp fold, or raise, but limp-calling seems to be an extremely bad move.

Turn lead is bad. If you want to bluff, as posters here said check/jam turn, or if he checks behind (which he will most of the times), overbet shove river. Although I think check/jamming turn is kinda marginal, if he is betting this turn it means he has 6x or flush himself.
I have to agree w/ MadBroLee on this one.
Esp pre, you have a perfect stack to limp/3bet, and tbh A3o plays so fkn bad/hard, esp OOP, A3s yeah i could see calling.
09-14-2016 , 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
I wonder why nobody is giving OP hell for limp-calling this hand pre-flop. Fundamentally bad. Either limp/3b or limp fold, or raise, but limp-calling seems to be an extremely bad move.
no
limp call is completely fine and standard here
you dont want to limp fold and this hand is way 2 weak to play in a limp raise range
09-14-2016 , 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolposting2016
no
limp call is completely fine and standard here
you dont want to limp fold and this hand is way 2 weak to play in a limp raise range
obious troll is obvious
09-14-2016 , 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolposting2016
no
limp call is completely fine and standard here
you dont want to limp fold and this hand is way 2 weak to play in a limp raise range
which part do you think is a troll?
do you want to limp fold?
a3o is not a good combo to limp / raise
so im confused wat ur talking about
09-14-2016 , 07:20 PM
little loose but still fine to limp/c a3o vs 3x imo
09-14-2016 , 08:12 PM
dude its a 100% call and not loose at all you can limp fold stuff like q5o or what ever but not a wheel ace wats going on here
09-14-2016 , 09:56 PM
standard limp/fold
can start limp/calling at like a6s or a9o
09-15-2016 , 12:55 PM
^this is way to tight with a full bb already invested
and with the antes already in there its not even close tbh, without antes its still a call but when you toss all that extra money in there sacrificing your equity w a hand like this is just awful...dont have any real software on this computer but heres some info

a3o
Hand Rank: Top 35.89%
Hand Rank: 70 of 169

theres no way we want to fold a hand in the top 35% vs this sizing with x amount of our own $ plus antes bvb vs most peoples strategies in the bb. how often do you need to win the pot to be beating full -100bb/100 that you are losing by folding pre
:/
im actually shocked that anyone with a clue would say this is a fold pre
09-16-2016 , 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolposting2016
^this is way to tight with a full bb already invested
and with the antes already in there its not even close tbh, without antes its still a call but when you toss all that extra money in there sacrificing your equity w a hand like this is just awful...dont have any real software on this computer but heres some info

a3o
Hand Rank: Top 35.89%
Hand Rank: 70 of 169

theres no way we want to fold a hand in the top 35% vs this sizing with x amount of our own $ plus antes bvb vs most peoples strategies in the bb. how often do you need to win the pot to be beating full -100bb/100 that you are losing by folding pre
:/
im actually shocked that anyone with a clue would say this is a fold pre
Are we going allin preflop with A3o? What is the relevance of that hand ranking? The hand plays way worse than many of the hands it is ranked above. You aren't in great shape if you make either pair. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen posted.
09-17-2016 , 12:21 AM
What s/w are you running that makes A3o a top 35% hand? Under what assumption? Allin preflop against a random hand? I learned it was unplayable in limit holdem. I could show you that chart. How does it play OOP against an opponent who has shown strength? I may be bad but you are worse. You act like everyone else is an idiot and half the time spout this sort of junk.
09-17-2016 , 12:22 AM
Betgo you are missing the point
09-17-2016 , 12:33 AM
a)No you are not going all in
B)The relevance is that a3o is in the top 35% of your hands that you can get. (Look at a hand ranking matrix)
C)The assumption that aa is number one and 72o is last
Again not hot and cold equity
D)Whether the hand plays well or not is irrelevant all you are doing is trying to improve on folding
E)What kind of shape you are in when you flop a pair means nothing bc of various bazillion factors
F) No
g)You can prolly just look at flopzilla and see where a3o lies in the Hand matrix
H)Already answered
I)Limit hold em has nothing to do w this spot
J)Sb vs bb spots where sb limps whole range are a different deal and ranges interact differently here. So it plays ok enough for it to improve over the -50bb/100 a fold without completing and the -100bb/100 that folding does. Again with extra money from antes its not rly close
K)Doubtful
L) Id say I post pretty. Good content
Any other questions?
I responded to all of your points feel free to respond w more
09-17-2016 , 12:48 AM
It does matter how it plays. If BB raised with a real hand you are usually dominated. If not you are play A3o against suited broadway or something OOP, which is a disaster. Of course it matters what shape you are in when you flop a pair. The hand plays really badly. It is really difficult to play it OOP against a range that is in a large part real top 20% hands, which it play terribly against.

You say the software works on the assumption that AA is best and 72o is worst. How does it rank A3o top 35%? What are the basis of the rankings? What software is it? Do you play blindly on software?

I am pretty sure this is allin preflop against a random hand or at least a calling range. A3o is about top 35% allin preflop. You should be aware of the assumptions the software is based rather than following it without thinking.

Last edited by betgo; 09-17-2016 at 01:06 AM.
09-17-2016 , 01:02 AM
Read section j of my previous post to learn a bit about sb vs bb play
Most bb strategies will be "correctly" raising quite often
Im actually kind of shocked how clueless you are tho.
Serious question. Do you play hi stakes mtts regularly? Or even lo stakes cash online regularly or even semi reg?
09-17-2016 , 01:03 AM
Nice try at trolling me tho :/

      
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