Originally Posted by masque de Z

Do not get yourself in such situation at 20bb by doing the easiest thing in the world from such late position which is to open shove. Its unexploitable as shove. If you open AQo and then fold you have to question what you are doing because if you are opening say at least 30-35% as you should at btn with a deeper not insta shove stack with intention to play poker then if you call with only top 5% hands the guy can be shoving here real wide to exploit this. If on the other hand you are opening tight then the guy is victimizing himself by pushing wide but then an argument can be made that you shouldndt be opening as tight because of opportunity loss and your overall EV from btn may be compromised if playing as tight.

Its pathetic and sociopathic that you got ridiculed here and without any logical explanation. People here and the mods can do better than this bs punk gang style. But realize that its the weakness of the play that inspired these childish insults.


Instead of all the mocking what could have been done is produce a theory about how to play 20bb stacks from the btn and if open shove is the only way to go. If not, opening a range , shoving another, limping another may be alternatives. We can separate to raising and then calling a given fraction and see where (at what rates and range) this maximizes results for example. That way we may enhance return with top hands and reduce losses with mediocre ones while maintaining some nontrivial fold equity. Make sure you mention if there are any antes by the way.

The open shove for sure yields an EV of 1-2bb depending how wide they call you. I can show why if needed.

Originally Posted by masque de Z

Do not get yourself in such situation at 20bb by doing the easiest thing in the world from such late position which is to open shove. Its unexploitable as shove. If you open AQo and then fold you have to question what you are doing because if you are opening say at least 30-35% as you should at btn with a deeper not insta shove stack with intention to play poker then if you call with only top 5% hands the guy can be shoving here real wide to exploit this. If on the other hand you are opening tight then the guy is victimizing himself by pushing wide but then an argument can be made that you shouldndt be opening as tight because of opportunity loss and your overall EV from btn may be compromised if playing as tight.

Its pathetic and sociopathic that you got ridiculed here and without any logical explanation. People here and the mods can do better than this bs punk gang style. But realize that its the weakness of the play that inspired these childish insults.

Instead of all the mocking what could have been done is produce a theory about how to play 20bb stacks from the btn and if open shove is the only way to go. If not, opening a range , shoving another, limping another may be alternatives. We can separate to raising and then calling a given fraction and see where (at what rates and range) this maximizes results for example. That way we may enhance return with top hands and reduce losses with mediocre ones while maintaining some nontrivial fold equity. Make sure you mention if there are any antes by the way.

The open shove for sure yields an EV of 1-2bb depending how wide they call you. I can show why if needed.

Originally Posted by OurSurveySays

if in these spots you think you have a close decision just say what range should i b/c with x stack size vs y villain. Helps u think more in ranges therefore improving your feel for push/fold poker and allowing you to not look like a plum. You cant lose if you fold!

Originally Posted by fslexcduck

quite great lengths OP has taken to mask obvious chip dumping - posting on 2p2 for more credibility. i guess you have to be extra safe on merge network after the whole girah scandal...

Originally Posted by lissi stinkt

the threads with the most pages are the worst in the mtt-forums

Originally Posted by MerginHosOn24s

Wait what?? I believe collusion is a very real problem on merge, particularly in the small field, larger buy in tourneys...but, what is Selbst trying to say??

Originally Posted by random_chu

sigh