(since nobody that plays them now wants to help lol)
But here it says;
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tour...TurboandxTurbo
"2x-Turbo and 3x-Turbo
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A 2x-turbo tournament is a special kind of turbo rebuy tournament (usually a satellite - ok not here) in which the levels increase at turbo speed, but the rebuy time is twice as long as it would be in a normal turbo rebuy. Similarly, a 3x-turbo has three times the normal amount of rebuy time. The available chips – including the starting stack, rebuy, and add-on – are tailored to each event. Be sure to check under the ‘Tournament Info’ button for detailed structure info."
So which is it ?
In any case can anyone confirm min is 20% of total awarded or at least offer a value for first prize vs the minimum? 10 to 1, 15 to 1 what is it?
Here is another web search result;
http://www.thepokerdb.com/results/po...4-17777814.htm
in this example it appears 212 entered and there were 94 rebuys for a total 61200 pool. Now looking at the awards given;
1 [PokerStars] $13,158
2 [PokerStars] $9,486
3 [PokerStars] $7,191
4 [PokerStars] $5,355
5 [PokerStars] $3,672
6 [PokerStars] $3,060
7 [PokerStars] $2,448
8 [PokerStars] $1,836
9 [PokerStars] $1,224
10 [PokerStars] $1,071
These add up to 48500 so there is another 12700 left to be awarded on the remaining players. If they go down to 3buy ins say to 600 imagine another 15 say for paying 25 total (guess) with avg 850.
So there you have adjust to our own using 12 where 25 may be here.
Then the above (cant log in to see more hence the extrapolation).
In any case if its 25 paid 25*600=15000 that represents 25% of the total awards not 20%.
So it looks like 20 to 1 top vs minimum usually? (although maybe that scale doesnt remain the same as the field shrinks to less entries )
This structure if true promotes further the 89s push option unless they are very loose or the BB as said is icm naive in calling.
It might even open up a bit the push range to 25% because the top prizes are significant incentive. They now call you from 8% all the way to 15% depending on position. (originally i had assumed in the absence of more info some 30-35% basic min prize %).
ICM now suggests approximate equity 3.75% for that kind of stack. So if its 120 entries and 60 rebuys say 180b in our case 3.75% of 180 is 6.75b and if we have like 60% chance to cash in (12/16 is 75% but we are in the bottom 25-30% of stacks) i imagine and min prizes of the 12 paid is still 25% of total ie 180*0.25=45b or 3.75b then our min prize expectation is 60%*3.75b=2.25b. So the min prize represents 2.25/6.75=33% so betgo is not generally very off and we were in fact both off by 50% in the guess. Say 28-33% of the equity as a guess (some uncertainty on how many were paid in the linked example remains so if they werent 25 and it was 22 say etc) is the min cash, not huge but significant. I am objective guys no matter what this means for my original guesses. I am not here to win, i am here for the truth to win. And dont pile up on betgo either. Its not right. He was correct in claiming that the min prize is not the most important part of our equity here. It seems 1/3 or less. But i still think he wants to be a bit riskier than he should and its true people have stopped being as tight as they used to be.
Now that still doesnt open the range as much as betgo wants it to call 89s a very easy decision. But 25% vs 20-21% before. 89s is now in but the btn being out still presents an interesting question if it is true for future hands too and how others call is still relevant.
What you can say for sure is that 89s push will never be a mistake unless the BB is total spite call moron. And even then its not that bad of a choice.
Last edited by masque de Z; 08-01-2014 at 12:15 AM.