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06-17-2017 , 01:23 PM
Hi guys,

1st hand i want your oppinion is as follows:

ITM - Blinds 3k -6k

MP(Hero) - 122K (20BB) (VP20/ PR15/ 3Bet 5/ F3B 83)
BB - 62k (10BB) (VP11/PR9/3Bet 0)



Hero with 33 raises 12.8k

BB 3Bets to 30k...

Two questions:

1. is 33 from MP w/ 20BB a fold (with shortstacks behind)?
2. Can i fold against 12BB shove/ 3Bet (yes i know 3bet from Big Blind looks very strong)

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next is a tricky spot - I am excited what you would do:

ITM - Blinds 1.6k - 3.2k

BU (VP38/PR25/3B0 with 78BB)
BB (Hero) (VP19/PR13/3B9 with 58BB)

BU raises to 6.7k
Hero 3Bets to 24.4k with AKcc
BU calls

Flop: 4d9hJc (pot: 52k)

Hero checks
BU bets 22.4k
Hero Calls

Turn: Js (pot: 97k)

Hero checks
BU checks

River: Kh (pot: 97k)

Hero checks
BU raises 73k

Hero???? though spot imo. what do you think...about the complete hand

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Last spot for today:

ITM - Blinds 2.5k - 5k

SB (hero) with JhJs (VP20/PR14/3B10) with 45BB (223k)
BB (VP10/PR10) with 35BB (175k)

Hero raises to 11.6k
BB calls

Flop:5hQs7h (pot: 27k)

Hero checks
BB checks

Turn: Tc

Hero checks
BB checks

River: Qh

Hero bets 18k
BB raises to 47.5k

Hero...?

Thanks for your comments.
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06-17-2017 , 01:34 PM
AK hand- Call
JJ hand- Fold (and curse a bit)
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06-17-2017 , 02:52 PM
I believe 33 is fold preflop.
AK I will bet flop. With that play you are very exploitable later, but I will call.
JJ is a call, as most of the time you are ahead. Again not agree with the passive play, you should bet turn.

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06-18-2017 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Satory
I believe 33 is fold preflop.
AK I will bet flop. With that play you are very exploitable later, but I will call.
JJ is a call, as most of the time you are ahead. Again not agree with the passive play, you should bet turn.

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So let`s put it more in detail, because i think this is not a marginal spot:

Lets say i 3bet with following range (TT+, KQs, AJo+ and ATs+)

and his calling range is around (55+[exclude QQ+] ,65s,76s,98s[all suited connectors],some 2-gappers maybe starting w/ J9s+ and premium 3-Gappers such as KTs)

so a Flop like 49J hits more likely BU 3bet calling range than BB 3bet raising range.

So BU has imo on this spot a range Advance.

So when i c-bet this flop oop i need to expect a lot of calls and there will be not much good turn cards anyway (exept maybe A , bringing no FD out), but every other broadway card helps more his range than mine.

So that said, my plan was to disguise my range with ck/call flop. this play also keeps BU range wide (also let his bluff range in).

As a balanced strategy, e.g. i also would check/ call Sets/OP and straight draws etc.

Turn is a bit triggy. Now i guess villain played it very well. Turn was ck/ck.

And i was pretty sure if he hits J he would bet turn. Only hands which could trap me here were JJ,99 and maybe J9s.

River brings in K and he raises BB bet. So what hands can raising here after the flop and river line:

slowplayed Boats also straights, but as i played it so passive, he could easily bluff raise me here in that spot.

So maybe you can explain your mind process a little bit more that would be much more helpful.
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06-18-2017 , 06:08 AM
33 is either an aggressive open shove or it is fold.
I suppose minraise is the worst option. Btw we need info for full table for this hand.

With AK you played passive enough postflop so you underrepresent your hand and i cant find a fold there the way you played it. I mean checked 3 times so you let all his bluffs or worst hands open. You surely lose to any j and qt (99 could try a 4-bet?) but he could pretty much have kq or pure bluffs. You sometimes just lose. So i would call.
Btw i would probably check raise flop if i think villain is a bit sceptical player.

The last hand is pretty much on your vilain. What i mean is that can he raise river as a bluff? In micros i hardly see this happening after such a passive way till river.
In my experience this seems like flush or trips just too often.
Btw i really hate the way you played this hand. I would prefer either a cbet or a turn bet. When you checked both streets you cant just bet river out of nowhere.
Actually you MUST bet turn as you can get ton of worst hand calls.
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06-18-2017 , 04:11 PM
33 Hand:
Nash equilibrium says fold 33 there - I can see an argument for raise/fold if youre doing a mixed strategy and wanting to sneak some steals in. But its marginal. If you are min-raise stealing with this @ 20bb, you want to balance that out with also min-raising your best stuff to protect that range (AA, KK, AKs etc) and raise-calling with that.

AK suited hand:
-I would 3 bet slightly smaller
-I like flop check/call
-Turn - check seems fine given that villain bet the flop.

My gut read was to call and expect him to show up with a J some chunk of the time. Here’s the actual math on it:

Assuming a villain has a button 3b calling range of:
ATo-AQo, KJo-KQo, QJo, 66-JJ, 98s-KQs, KJs, ATs-AQs (so basically he’s 4betting AK, QQ, KK, folding the weaker stuff)

Our hand has 43% equity vs his range on the flop.

If we assume he cbets 100% of that range into your check, checks the turn, and then decides to fire the river with his entire range, we have 72% equity on the river call (vs his whole range with all bluffs).

However, if we determine villain only bets top pair or better (TP, Trips, full house and quads) on the river, his range has 75% equity and we have 25%.

You’re getting 2.32:1 so you need about 30% equity to make the call good. So it really comes down to - what is the balance of villains bluffs vs his value bets on the river here? If we think he mixes in bluffs more than like 15-20% of the time, I think we can find a call.

JJ Hand:

-I maybe like check-calling river here? As played, I think its a laydown.
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