readless, all i know is he is from hong kong

not sure how wide he is calling, but i would assume he has some broadway

as played?

mhm perhaps c/r flop is the best play vs his sizing?

his sizing looks very defensive/value

don't really see too much reason for flop check, and yeah I'd pbb xr it once you check and face this size. You need to do something to punish this line on a board where I don't really think he has any advantage.

I am not very good, so would be interested in an explanation of the flop check. You 3-bet big OOP. Not sure what you are representing by checking: AK? Seems like air usually cbets this flop. Then it is OK to bet or check the turn. You represent weakness better by betting the flop and checking the turn. You did get him to value bet worse. However, if he is a fish, I would try to check as many bets in as possible.

wouldn`t c/r on paired coordinated texture vs random either

but prefer bet bet bet to let him put you on AK

I think your sizing is too big pre, but if you know he's not folding then it's obviously better than the 10k you'd normally make it.

His flop/turn sizing looks like he's gonna check back the river. It could be 77/88 but there are so few combo's, I think you have to c/r the turn or frontjam the river. If that was your plan but you backed off on this particular card that's ok I suppose, though if he has a 5 he can have my chips.

Really disliking the flop check, it's much more likely a fish is gonna call off everything with 99 than start randomly bluffing KQ imo. As played I'd probably c/r flop, as played probably c/ship turn, as played probably frontjam river.

Just b b shove

pre seems a little bit big considering in this instance it's rarely a bluff here. We need to balance our 3 betting range with hands like AA and KK with worse holdings, so do you 3 bet this big with your garbage hands? I also think we need to be betting the flop as you would cbet with hands like AK, AQ, and other pairs, so by checking it looks very strong. We want to try to get 3 of value here.

This. I don't understand why you decide to turn real passive post after deciding to 3b to 13bb and getting called. Guy obv is oi folding.

thats not a good post

We probably don't have bluffs in our range here, so we just go for the largest value we think he will call.

We should be c-betting our entire 5x 3-betting range(JJ+, AK?) on this flop, no? I don't understand how we extract value from villain by check calling. This nut range vs nut range and we have THE NUTS, so we need to get max value with a b/b/shove IMO.

Well, villain could put us on AK if we check and try to get us off it/bet a hand like 99/hit a queen on the turn with KQs, etc. If we're balanced here and we bet all our bluffs and all AK combo's villain has a really easy time calling any pair, so I'm not sure betting 100% is the answer here.

Preflop 3b sizing seems terrible. That sort of thing is many OK in a live 1/2 game. You get him to fold a huge percentage of his range. Then you don't ever get bluff 4b. You are somewhat face up postflop. You generally want to disguise your hand, not telegraph it with stereotypical sizing.

Whatever line you take, you have to try to get bets in. You have to make him get all in or close or fold. He may be strong, as he was, and you have to try to stack off, not just c/c.

not sure why people dislike pre that much. i dont see why we need a bluffing range here from bb against vil to begin with. it also seems way more likely for him to be flatting a lot against a bb 3b when he is in pos rather than him spazzing out in some weird way (not to mention that we have pretty significant blockers to a lot of stuff that people like to get their spazz on with). i think postflop is kind of butchered tho because once we take the exploitable line pre, why are we trying to be balanced post then against some joe schmoe who can probably find calls on all three streets with worse? def dislike the check, id just bet three times for value and not think too much about it. as played its rly tough to tell cause you probably shouldn't get there like this against this type of villain.

You are probably getting called a lot less when you 3b 5x rather than 3.5x or whatever. It is nice you got called by JJ. When you specifically have AA, you don't want to do anything unusual to set off alarm bells.

Thanks, care to explain what you don't like about it?

I'm basically saying we need to try and get 3 streets of value here. Checking flop is bad and sizing pre seems big.

3betting reasonably big doesnt have to be "unusual" (its tough to use that term correctly when playing a card game that involves luck) if we are just exploiting our opponents leak. i am not saying that i would 3b that big or that its a mandatory size but it def makes sense to play your range like this. also if hero made it 9231 pre, would that rly change the hand that much? i guess not but i just think that arguing about the pre sizing isnt rly beneficial when discussing the line in general.

I don't understand why this thread has 17 replies in a basic spot.
First V is a fish so sizing and balancing it's just stupid and fps, so bet flop, bet turn and bet river.
Or take that basic line vs most fish bet flop, x/shove turn and win all the chips.


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Looks like a standard bet flop turn river v this type of player

Those are the two postflop lines I suggested in the 4th post. As played, c/r turn. As played, lead river.

Preflop sizing is still bad, even if he doesn't use the information postflop. Typical fish has high call 3b % deep. The huge 3b may seem to exploit, but it will usually result in a much higher fold to 3b %. Getting some more in preflop is not worth causing him to fold marginal holdings.

I honestly stopped reading your posts, no offense


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Why do you insist on getting involved in high stakes discussions then? Just read and learn might be a better line.

Its 12 years a slave not 12 years a troll right?

Seriously. Betgo seems to mean well, though😳

As played his hand looks pretty face up to TT-KK. He made a huge preflop call which makes me lean more towards this range. Once he bets flop it's confirmed, because most people check AK/AQ hands behind here.
You should ask yourself how much he will pay off with TT-KK and play accordingly.
Check raise flop, bet big turn and jam river imo. Unless he has precisely AK/AQs (which he'd probably get in on the flop) that's the most ideal way to play it in my opinion.