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10-03-2014 , 09:46 PM
Day 1c. L3 100/200. Stacks range from 13k to 30k. Seat 4 has seen at least 50% of the flops. Limps about half the time and raises 3x the rest of the time. No one else is in more than 25-30% of hands. There has not been a lot of 3betting. Utg (seat 2) limps. 3 additional callers to me in sb.

My image is a nit. 60ish, white hair, no Beats. I have played about one hand per orbit, maybe a bit less.

1100 in the pot, I have 25k and look at AJ suited. After some thought, I decided to call rather than raise. I didn't want to be 3bet and not get to see the flop.

Would appreciate thoughts on my decision. Would also like comments on what hands you would raise and how much. Thanks to all.
10-04-2014 , 10:25 AM
I tend to play quite nitty in the small blind and I would be split here between just calling or making it 900-1000 to go. If I had position I would definitely raise. I wouldn't be too worried about being 3bet light here. It's just not a situation where many people will.
10-04-2014 , 10:37 AM
At a table like this it is probably best to just call. If we raise we will often get 2-4 callers and then we are playing a bloated pot out of position with AJ.
10-04-2014 , 12:57 PM
nh
10-04-2014 , 02:03 PM
I'm probably raising this here.

If you don't, what are you raising with? And more importantly, when you finally do raise do you expect to get any action if it's your first raise in 7 levels?
10-04-2014 , 05:48 PM
This is a call all day @L3 of a VDS. You do need to be fairly confident of your post flop play on an A hi flop.
10-05-2014 , 11:25 PM
Yea def nh, but honestly I expected more of a question after reading the well explained initial details.
10-06-2014 , 12:12 AM
big blind looks at his cards and quickly checks his option. 1200 in pot.

Flop is 954, all diamonds. First to act, I check. The bb (with 16k) bets 900. Everyone folds to me. I call. Holding the nut flush, is anyone raising here?
10-06-2014 , 10:54 AM
I'm probably leading small.

Top pair/overpair/2 pair or even a good diamond are calling you here.

Best part about that line is a) you might get raised and b) when the board comes off with 2 bricks you can overbet pot to make it look like a missed draw and get calls from trips/2pair type hands
10-06-2014 , 12:55 PM
6 in the pot already? I lead far more than c/c. This early, this deep if no one else has a hand then the pot won't grow. If someone else does, then leading is generally seen as NOT the nuts. I like ~650 to 750 to give someone the chance to raise behind.
10-06-2014 , 04:48 PM
x/c is really bad, and against amatuers x/r is going to be bad too. People will often let go of hands they shouldn't in a x/r situation.

Definitely think leading is the best decision here, and barrel off on bricks and slow down on a turn diamond, since you will only be getting 1 more street at most anyway and we can let them barrel with some turned bluffs or worse flushes.

Preflop, I think we should just flat and hope to flop some broadways, good A boards, overs+flushdraws etc.

Raising is often going to be bad because on a table like this you'll get 2-3 callers and AJ will play really poorly OOP in a raised pot. I may not even raise in the event we only get 1 caller. I think this is a really strong hand we should keep in our completing or flatting SB range.
10-06-2014 , 05:07 PM
if i were a sixty something id be squeezing all kinds of hands in limp pots In and OOP, i already do with success and im a twenty something with shades and beats be dre blaring
10-06-2014 , 05:23 PM
^^^I know sometimes I wish I was 60 so people assume I never bluff
10-08-2014 , 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
At a table like this it is probably best to just call. If we raise we will often get 2-4 callers and then we are playing a bloated pot out of position with AJ.
+1, if raised by BB, I'd see how many others come along then consider option of call v. fold
10-08-2014 , 09:56 AM
The big blind is 30ish, headphones and sunglasses. I have played with him before and consider him a solid player. He is unlikely leading into 5 players with nothing. If he has two pair I am a 4 to 1 favorite. If he flopped a set I am a 2 to 1 favorite. I am crushing his draws, overpairs (not likely) and overcards.

I actually raised to 2500 giving him almost 3 to 1 on a call. He called rather quickly. Pot now 6200. He has about 12500 behind.

The turn is the 6 of diamonds. Board now reads 9654, all diamonds.
Check or lead?
10-08-2014 , 12:32 PM
Check. Call. Check. Raise river
10-08-2014 , 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boobsicles
Check. Call. Check. Raise river
or check, call, jam river.
10-09-2014 , 09:30 AM
If you call the turn you wont get to check raise the river because hes probably going to know youre only peeling with the Ad in your hand, a set, or a straight flush. And if you check raise river youre never getting called by Kd if he knows anything. If the board pairs it looks like you always raised the flop with a set to "protect your hand" and you lose value or run into a full house yourself because whats he calling the check raise from an older guy with on that flop besides a set? Only hands are 78, Kxdd or maybe the stiff Kd but idk.

I think check call the turn and lead river hoping he has a flush and puts you on a badly played set
10-10-2014 , 03:03 PM
^ Yeah Idk why I said x/r anyway... If he leads turn there will be <1/2 pot left OtR... So we can lead jam
10-11-2014 , 11:46 AM
I led the turn for about 4k. He (rather quickly) went all in for his remaining 12,500. Pot is 22,700. 8,500 for me to call.

I am getting a little better than 2.5 to 1 on a call. I am beating all but 2 combos.

I can fold and still have about 17k (85 bb).

He is a solid player. He looks very comfortable. Btw, we still have 30 minutes or so in the reentry period.

Anyone finding a fold here?
10-11-2014 , 02:03 PM
So you wasted our time because your nut flush ran into a straight flush? GTFO
---------> BBV

And no, there are times where u can fold rivers, but not OTT
10-14-2014 , 10:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachman42
or check, call, jam river.
/endthread.
10-16-2014 , 08:34 PM
all but 3 combos I think. call
10-17-2014 , 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
At a table like this it is probably best to just call. If we raise we will often get 2-4 callers and then we are playing a bloated pot out of position with AJ.
why are u using dfish's avatar?

      
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