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08-25-2014 , 04:41 PM
Level 18 - Blinds: 2500/5000 500a; 38 Remain/18 Pay. Avg stack is ~40bb

Villain1 (3.5bb in cutoff): been way short for a while. Loose/Passive lately flatting pre with less than 20 bigs. Obviously light here, doesn't really matter.

Hero (25bb on button): tight aggressive. Made a couple lay downs pre when villains 3b jammed against me. these guys just always have it, rarely 3b jamming their tourney life as a bluff. Only show down 88+ AQ+.

Villain2 (40bb in sb): Tight Aggressive Asian woman. Played w before, only would Reshove better than JJ. Rarely would flat pre OOP. Strong respected player.

Villain3 (19bb in bb): opens wider than most of table. KJ+ all pairs. 3b jammed on me once. I folded. Knows poker reads hands well. Not a fish at all. Had been seen jamming 3 times in the level FWIW.

Preflop V1 shoves 17.5k from cutoff. Hero looks down at JJ on button.

Hero can:

1) Fold
2) Flat
3) put in a raise
4) Jam

What is most optimal to do and why?

Questions/Comments appreciated.
08-25-2014 , 07:32 PM
Jamming is your best option. Any raise you make besides jamming seems very strong with 25bb. Flatting just invites SB BB into pot to out flop you.

If you jam and it gets thru and you win the hand against V you are sitting with 30bb and a healthy stack, you gain 20% of your stack if you win the hand with just you and V1.
08-26-2014 , 02:31 AM
Jam. If sb or bb wake up with a monster then just unlucky. i see them calling here with AK+ maayyybe 1010
08-26-2014 , 07:33 AM
Very trivial iso-jam. If one of the blinds calls, then BBV is 3 doors down on the left . . .

Last edited by Beachman42; 08-26-2014 at 07:34 AM. Reason: lol at even listing fold as an option - a good tell that Hero lost.
08-26-2014 , 11:51 AM
Easy shove.
08-26-2014 , 09:54 PM
I did isojam thanks for the replies/opinions. Seems unanimous.
08-26-2014 , 11:36 PM
I'd just flat because you have JJ and a shove just folds out so many worse hands that might perceive you as weak and squeeze light. Shoving makes more sense with something like 99 or AJs where you are more afraid or someone peeling, but with JJ you'll have position on any flats and it's unlikely you'll get bluffed post flop. Shoving makes it difficult for your opponents to make very huge mistakes.
08-27-2014 , 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefBlackfoot
I'd just flat because you have JJ and a shove just folds out so many worse hands that might perceive you as weak and squeeze light. Shoving makes more sense with something like 99 or AJs where you are more afraid or someone peeling, but with JJ you'll have position on any flats and it's unlikely you'll get bluffed post flop. Shoving makes it difficult for your opponents to make very huge mistakes.
This was the line I considered because of the reason you stated: opponents can play 100% optimal vs my shove. AKA there typically only putting it in with better. However if I flat am I calling off any jams? It's a really tough spot either way so I do actually think shoving is more optimal than flatting/calling it off.
08-27-2014 , 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by THEstevoSHOW
This was the line I considered because of the reason you stated: opponents can play 100% optimal vs my shove. AKA there typically only putting it in with better. However if I flat am I calling off any jams? It's a really tough spot either way so I do actually think shoving is more optimal than flatting/calling it off.
Lol at 100% optimal. Learn to play da pokerz. BB based on description is NEVER folding Ak/1010 probably not 99 AQ because this is perfect spot to iso with you acestuff/kq/kj/pairs etc.

Actually if you just call it should be to be snap calling a shove by BB who if bb is competent he is reshoving tons that you have crushed. So calling is viable IF your plan is to trap his ass. Not that other people will play 100% against me.

Old lady having you crushed this particular time with kk or aa is irrelevant because she has air most of the time.

Sorry you lost in a super standard spot bro.
08-27-2014 , 03:57 PM
Easy flat. You allow sb/bb to jam so wide and when they flat you can take so much money from them on 58% of the flops and cbet win with 20%ish and have to fold about 20% of the time. Shoving is ok but folds out everything than can iso jam that you crush
08-28-2014 , 12:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by say1timeillshanku
Lol at 100% optimal. Learn to play da pokerz. BB based on description is NEVER folding Ak/1010 probably not 99 AQ because this is perfect spot to iso with you acestuff/kq/kj/pairs etc.

Actually if you just call it should be to be snap calling a shove by BB who if bb is competent he is reshoving tons that you have crushed. So calling is viable IF your plan is to trap his ass. Not that other people will play 100% against me.

Old lady having you crushed this particular time with kk or aa is irrelevant because she has air most of the time.

Sorry you lost in a super standard spot bro.
Like the feedback thanks bro
08-28-2014 , 01:06 AM
reraise to 40k

call jam from V3

according to reads fold to jam from V2
08-28-2014 , 10:33 AM
At this stack size, I don't think you can r/f even vs. V2.

BTW, her description is contradictory - a strong, respected player has a much wider re-ship range in this spot.
08-30-2014 , 03:44 AM
Make it 30
09-01-2014 , 02:57 AM
jamming is def not optimal, so unlikely to get called by a hand we crush. maybe TT by bb. I think flatting is optimal but I think in the moment I would have raised to 40k and folded to the Asian lady if she reraised, snapped a jam by the bb. same plan with a flat.
09-02-2014 , 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1witty1
jamming is def not optimal, so unlikely to get called by a hand we crush. maybe TT by bb. I think flatting is optimal but I think in the moment I would have raised to 40k and folded to the Asian lady if she reraised, snapped a jam by the bb. same plan with a flat.
I would make it around 35k and call a shove, unless they both shove. If I had to pick between flatting and shoving, I would shove.

      
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