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Old 06-22-2012, 05:06 PM   #16
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

this was basically 2 hrs into the tourney and i hope everyone has realized this is a live tourney . Villain was basically opening anything when it was folded to him in hj onwards . So not wanting to get into a weird spot post flop against his wide range i wanted to 3 bet to gauge his range better ( we do have some history on hands from the first 2 hours )Hes definitely coming over the top with a 4 bet if he's massive .. I obviously didnt want him to fold hands like KJ A8/9/10 etc but knowing villain was good thinking player i knew he would probably flat these hands and only fold his absolute junk - this was my rationale behind the 3 bet so yes i do know what game theory is
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Old 06-23-2012, 12:00 AM   #17
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

If he is opening like 80% plus, usually callling the 3-bet, and 4-betting a strong range you can fold to, then the 3-bet is probably good. There are some problems to 3-betting this type of hand. For one thing, you get more action when an ace hits if you flat.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:16 PM   #18
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

Flat pre. You stacked off too deep and too light on this flop vs a LAG.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:46 PM   #19
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

You are button? 3 bet smaller or flat pre
Flop sizing seems big

You discussed his pre aggression but not his post aggression. If he is laggy pre and post then bet 3 bet is ok here and don't sweat the results

Vs most you can flat pre and bet fold the flop
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Old 06-26-2012, 06:16 AM   #20
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

Well now that everyone has posted their thoughts ,

He was holding 89c and was actually equity wise ahead of me on the flop .

Villain was deepest stack on table and after knocking out one player he proceeded to open his range even wider , flatting raises from weak players. His post flop aggression was generally consistent regardless of whether he'd flopped sick or air . Villain was very mindful of position and exploiting and was always willing to put players to decisions very quickly . This is what inclined me to play the hand this way , I dont really regret playing it this way because it played out the way i thought it did and he was holding kind of what i felt he had after his check raise on the flop anyway .I know i've learnt from some of you guys the value of surviving till much later , but its easy to have the benefit of hindsight As the hand played itself out i wasnt thinking about surviving , i was just thinking of maximizing my edge . Thanks for all the solid replies guys , made it a learning experience .


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Old 06-26-2012, 01:38 PM   #21
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

3b has some problems as you are giving information, reopening the action, and building the pot and isolating versus a decent LAG. On the plus side, you are raising for value with position.

The thing is a player like this may barrel an ace high flop when you flat, but c/f it when you 3b. Plus he may put you on high cards and give you trouble on flops you miss. I would flat, but not sure 3b is bad.

It is sort of natural to bet close to pot with TPTK on a wet board, but I would prefer a smaller cbet, as again I think you are giving too much information, and he folds a lot when he misses.

Obviously, you are getting allin on this flop. I wouldn't worry about preserving my stack too much.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:30 AM   #22
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Re: $1400 red dragon cup hand I busted

was actually overbetting to induce a move from him , which was why i found it hard to fold cause thats what i wanted , wanted him to think i'd bricked the J high board and play back at me .

Thanks for the advice My main concern was whether i should have been preserving my stack for much later but as i said each decision came separately , first to 3 bet , then my flop decision etc . At each point i felt I was ahead and I guess i didnt really like folding knowing im ahead but I see where you guys are coming from with the survival aspect
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