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your line looks strong when you jam the river obviously but people aren't folding getting 8:1, 30:1, etc with three of a kind. He probably sighcalled you with his hand knowing he's beat most of the time but if you have a random A9 or a bluff in there he can't ever fold for the price he's given, so let's get all the chips we can.

He probably should fold a 9 to a jam

so you think this is an exploitative river shove from us but gto call?

what do you think of flop and turn lines (including sizing), joseph?

jesus christ

if people made these folds consistently then poker would be dead. It's not dead yet.

He has quads like 99.9% here a 70 year old doesnt do this with a flush draw or QQ also he would raise any 9 on flop and even 44 cause hes scared and has to "protect" his hand he has quads 100%. Fold.

what is this thread

if some mid 70s fish is raising me on a 9954cc board and i have 55, i'm just getting it in right there ott and not even thinking about it

I didn't think he was a total fish and thought he was capable of (a) folding a 9 to a turn 3-bet or (b) raising the turn with a flush draw.

no way anybody in their mid-70s cr/f trips to a 30 something hoodie and sunglass wearing kid, u srs?

checkraising that turn w a fl draw seems like an absurd thing to expect from this kind of villain as well but maybe i'm just bad at poker (probably am regardless, maybe not for reasons itt)

people in florida do a lot of crazy things.

i mean i'd defer to your judgment since you're in a position to have a better understanding of the table/local dynamic, but i didn't see anything in your OP that indicates this guy is anything more than a rec fish with a couple decent scores. if he's limping a bunch pre, i'd be even more inclined to exclude semibluff combos from his turn cr range here

If we shove river.... and BB folds.... do we show? I consider showing for image purposes wrt the rest of the table, not the BB per se. Would largely depend on table break sked i suppose. Thoughts?

I basically never show as a default. I can see its merits in certain instances but I just don't do it as a practice.

I also never show as a general rule. On rare occasions when I can feel the table getting fed up with me dragging pots without showdown(usually because i just happen to be on a heater), I may show an obvious monster if I think it will calm the waters and allow me to keep some FE. Or if I steal for the 4/5 spot against the nit in the big when i actually have a big one. It also largely depends on what kind of hand i've had to turn over on the end, too

I suppose its a question of surrendering info vs generating image, and the table must be ripe to actually respond as desired. The weaker the field, the more I would consider showing. Against thinking regs, its pretty transparent.

I'm interested in seeing the thoughts of the minds here on the merits of showing,or not.

^^when I see a young aggro player go out of his way to show a monster, I usually tend to think it's pretty obvious that he's posturing for the fish at the table and I will nbet/leverage him as relentlessly as I possibly can

I agree. Was actually going to say the same thing myself.

Do we def eliminate 94s and 95s from BBs range?
Hes a habitual limper (fishy), hes getting 5-1 and hes capping the action.

If I had minraised, they're more likely to be in his range but he seemed selective enough to me pre, that I didn't expect him to have those hands.

There is no 95s, the only 5 is 5c and the 9c is on the flop, and 94s is garbage...

^ He meant SUITED, not SPADES.

^ He knew that.

This is a shove on river and its not close...you lose to 99 and Q9 and beat the rest of the 9x...and if this guy is from Florida then its even more of a shove. I'm a Florida native. Also, this is a rebuy, so saving your stack is not really a concern. Shove, and if he somehow has the two hands then rebuy.