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07-07-2017 , 12:32 PM
Hero is primarily a cash game player from the west coast. New to tournaments and generally struggling with late stages and applying ICM. Two spots from yesterday's Venetian DSE $1100 which I am debating. Will really appreciate some inputs.

1) Final table 9 remaining. All stacks are between 15 and 45 BB. Hero has 28 Bb. Average 24BB. Hero is 4 of 9. 4 out of 9 players are very strong and experienced with multi-million dollar hendon live winnings. Other 5 are probably at about the same tournament skill level as the hero.

Villain is David Jackson - solid, very experienced in live MTT, a little on the tighter side. He has about 22BB.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=257488

Villain min-raises UTG. Folds to Hero who shoves AKo from SB. Villain snaps with KK. KK holds.

Is this standard or should I consider different lines - call and play post or maybe even 3bet / fold -- given ICM considerations?

2) Two tables and 18 players remaining. Hero is on BB with about 22 BB - about average. Villain is Laurent Polito - very loose and aggressive, dominating this table by opening wide and applying a lot of pressure on later streets.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=113746

He has about 40 BB and opens from cutoff 2.2BB. Hero has KTo - with king of hearts. Hero defends (too loose?). Flop A89 with two hearts. Hero check-calls half-potish cbet. (bad?). Turn 4 - not heart. check check. River King. Hero leads half-potish (bad?). Villain snap-shoves. What should hero do as played? Fold leaves a 12BB stack behind.

Last edited by callingstation44; 07-07-2017 at 12:44 PM.
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07-07-2017 , 01:09 PM
Hand 1- Given stacks, ft, don't think he is opening wide at all utg. That said, 3b shoving is +$ev, even vs like 12% rfi. 3b/f vs some, could be good/better, depending on ss of rest table, caliber players, etc.

Hand 2-defend fine, c/f flop??
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07-07-2017 , 01:40 PM
On 2), Villain was opening 35-40% from late positions. Against that range, folding to cbet with king-high and two backdoor draws seemed a bit too tight. My plan was to lead turn if improved and give up on second barrel if unimproved. I thought I was repping weak ace and check-call would slow him down on the turn. On the river lead, i thought I was good because most good aces would bet the turn on a wet board.
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07-07-2017 , 01:59 PM
Hand 1) Min raise UTG from a tight, experienced player 9-handed... I'm OK just calling here and folding if I don't catch an ace or king. I think people go too nuts with AK. Shipping 28 bb here is realllllly high variance so you have to expect to get coolered against AA/KK sometimes. You're never getting called by worse so I don't see the point of the move. He's probably snapping with AA/KK/QQ/JJ, maybe 1010 but can probably find a fold with AQ/AJ. So I don't like it. I only like jamming in spots where there is a range of worst cards than can call.

2) If he's opening that wide (40% of hands???) then just jam it back in his face preflop. 20bb is a perfect reshove stack. Why play a mediocre broadway hand like K10 OOP? As played, check river. You're playing bluff catcher so why give him a chance to push you off the hand? Overall I think this hand was very poorly played. I think you could easily find a check/fold on the flop if you want to defend with broadway cards. Against laggy chip leader-type stacks late in tournaments I find the best strategy is to pick one solid resteal spot every other orbit. This seems like a solid spot.
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07-07-2017 , 05:51 PM
jeez man these are two soooo standard spots. hate to be tough on you but seems like you gotta get in the lab and start figuring out your pf ranges.
anyway hand 1 - it rly depends on the other stacks left in the game, if there are a bunch of shorties you could consider not 3b, if not just 3b/ and get it in shoving is ofc completely fine, but you should wanna have some 3b/f range here
hand 2 is the most basic defend in the whole world vs basically everyone. vs some folks withi hi fold 2 3b% you could click a button here but with the antes and the $ invested in the bb folding this hand would just be absurd.
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07-14-2017 , 01:40 PM
Hand 1 is trivial, to those saying 3b/f.. lol that's why the avg tourney players are so bad.. 22bb let's waste 1/3 of it to raise for information on the final table!?!?

Hand 2 I think you misplayed preflop, flop, and river. There are so many leaks here, for a start this is 2017 not 2011, people are often defending with any2 in the BB, and if you're even thinking of folding pre to a single raise then that's precisely the reason he can open wide(and you bet an experienced player has observed you enough by this point to be opening wide knowing you don't defend enough..) and that this hand and much weaker = call. Flop is a disaster, what exactly are you trying to achieve.. hit your backdoor draw and calling your stack off?? River once again by not checking you've turned your hand into a bluff because you couldn't call off.
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07-15-2017 , 12:46 AM
Hand 1 is a standard 3bet jam spot. We should be fist pumping to get it in with 22BB with AKo here, unless the player in question is a mega nit.

For hand 2 I can get behind either defending or 3-bet jamming vs. a LAG. Probably in game I'd lean towards jamming especially at our stack depth, and maybe just calling against tighter players.
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07-16-2017 , 01:43 AM
Thanks for all the responses.

On the second hand, I did not want the results to influence feedback.

I ended up tank-calling the river and doubled up. He had queen jack suited with queen high. I did not think on a drawy board he would check the turn with an ace and trusted my read that river snap-shove was a bluff.

But I do agree I misplayed it. And it's probably just better to 3bet shove pre exactly because of these hard spots post where it's so easy to make big mistakes.

My flop thinking was he would cbet almost always and if I improve on turn (king, ten or any of the backdoor draws materializes) my turn lead would cause him to fold most of the time. But it's bad because I don't improve often enough and the stacks are two shallow to waste a check-call bet on flop.
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