Hey Guys,

Just getting back into tournament poker again after a break for a few years. The game has changed and I'm getting refamiliarized with some concepts I once knew better.

We're in the money, 25 people left, Blinds are 5/10k ante 1k

Hero (350k, 35BB): Tied for table chip leader with villain, he has me very slightly covered. I was 2nd in chips coming into day two, right behind the villain, and played the bubble aggressively but then slowed down after the bubble burst. But have a fairly good table image at the point this hand happens, made some folds to a few shoves a few orbits earlier.

Villain (380k, 38BB): Very aggressive. And has a famous reputation for being aggressive. But is an excellent player, has taken down multiple major tournaments before with his maniac style of play, he's been raising a lot. We are both the big stacks at the table, with a lot of small stacks but for the most part I'd been avoiding him whenever I could and picking on the other stacks.

Hand: Folds to him in the cutoff, he opens for 30k, I have QQ in the SB. I make it 75k. He shoves!

My thought process . . . . what the heck! He's got a wide range there, based on how much he's been raising . . but why would he shove for 38BB when we're both way about the chip average, again he's an excellent player but even with AA and KK, I'd expect a reraise or a flat and a raise on the flop but the shove there was very unexpected and I wasn't sure what to do since it'd be for tournament life and we are both big stacks with lots of play to go. But I know he's thinking this too . . .

Thoughts?

Based on reads im probably calling here. You just committed a quarter of your stack almost, so i love the price ... dont see any scenario where calling is -EV.

Thanks! Given our stack sizes, does it ever make sense to flat and see the flop? By reraising to 75k, did I basically set myself up to call any shove?

hi five monitor and snap it off within .25 seconds then break mouse after aq flops the a

Is this advice also counting for live poker?

An instant, frantic Hellmuthian chip pile shove all-in would be most appropriate in this situation.

Snap it off. Your 3b size is small

Gl baby.

Yep.

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Thanks guys. So my 3 bet size was too small in that spot? I should have made it more like 100k?

I did snap call and he showed AJ. I even flopped a set. The board came KQJ, turned an 8, rivered a T and I was out.

Then I began questioning given our stack sizes, all of the small stacks at the table, so much time to play still whether I needed to risk it all there.

so you got it in with like 85% equity and is a sad panda bc you lost?
you will never make it in the mtts game bud sorry

So no mention of ICM in this thread?

Equity is 71.5%

ur point is?^

Haha . . I know, I did get it in good. I went off my read. My question was more when its big stack vs big stack, all of the other stack were at least 150k less than both of us. The payouts were 85k for 1st and it was like 4k at the spots we were at. Not big pay jumps at that point . . . . but we were both top 5 chip stacks at that point. But maybe that doesn't matter . . . that's what I'm trying to understand . .

if you have 350k at that point in the mtt you probably need to get to like 4/5 million to win the 85k. sucks that you lost but 3b/f a hand like qq is pretty awful vs someone whos aggro/not a complete rock
also not 3b just gives up tons of ev

welcome back to the game

snap obv. should only be 3! w intention of not folding. separately, would you feel more comfortable w QQ vs a co open/4! rip over sb 3b range; or QQ vs a co open/4b/call 5b shove range? therein lies your answer.

fwiw, he should def still have some % of KK and AA if dynamic has been as you've described.. even tho sb vs co is absurd fake 3b spot, you said yourself you've been (probably clearly from view point of others) staying out of his way and not mixing it up much. wouldn't think he ever thinks you have A9s for example and more than likely gives you credit for a good hand is all i'm saying.

you should not 3!/f this spot literally ever imo. way better off flatting and taking it to the streets.

vul that he presumably had KK.

edit or not KK lol. guess he does think u 3!/f A9s there. still obv snapping. ICM shouldn't be a consideration rn imho. MAYBE like 7 handed w 5 short stacks, but def not w 20 something people left. jump from 19-18 prob insignificant relatively speaking; certainly not to the point where we should want to start making huge folds like this. something like wsop main maybe diff story, but yeah think you should be focused on accumulating to position yourself to make a run at the FT now, and not trying to fold QQ pre. if anything, ICM should be more of a reason to NOT fold QQ pre here cause he's super aggro and probably knows either that he covers you or that you'd be crippled if losing the pot, thereby making his jam range much wider because your folding range will be presumably be larger.

Always call here your description of Villian makes him seem like he's more then capable of shoving wide thinking your playing back at him. I agree with you that his shove doesn't seem like the top two hands. Either way you made the right play just a bummer he got there.


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Def this. Excellent post