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02-23-2017 , 06:00 AM
Well I won a ticket to the biggest tournament of my life and that`s the hand I busted with.

9 handed. Blinds 300/600 ante 75. My stack 20k
My hand AA pos HJ

I open to 1400(begging for BB to shove his 10bb). CO calls / Button calls / BB tank folds

Pot 5775

Flop 55Q

I cbet 2800, CO calls / button folds.

Turn K (55Q K)

I check, CO bets 6000

What`s your action on the turn? I shoved anyways and think that I should have prob just called the 6k and re-evaluate on the river(meaning prob check-fold and leave 16bb behind)..?

Villains hand 86
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02-23-2017 , 10:31 AM
I just think it's too early in the tournament to be shoving these marginal spots and to over value big hands. Was your plan to c/r turn with that scare card or did you just get married to your hand? I mean there are so many better turn cards for you to make that play and this is definitely not one of them. I think we should be bet/folding the turn. The problem is if you x/c the turn then what's your plan OTR if an Ace or 5 doesn't hit? There aren't many good cards for us by the river. By checking the turn we're at the very top of range and it's easy for villain to play very well against us.
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02-23-2017 , 11:29 AM
Congrats on the ticket!

Sounds like you may have been a bit "scared $$$" here. Shoving is really not optimal esp. without the A. Also, it would be very helpful to have V's stack size in the info.

Call turn and re-eval river.
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02-23-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
I just think it's too early in the tournament to be shoving these marginal spots and to over value big hands. Was your plan to c/r turn with that scare card or did you just get married to your hand? I mean there are so many better turn cards for you to make that play and this is definitely not one of them. I think we should be bet/folding the turn. The problem is if you x/c the turn then what's your plan OTR if an Ace or 5 doesn't hit? There aren't many good cards for us by the river. By checking the turn we're at the very top of range and it's easy for villain to play very well against us.
Thanks for the answer. I just got married to the hand without a gameplan. All got just a bit blurry and I was`nt sure what I was doing I guess. The check was automatic. At the time I was thinking that If he has Qx with a heart, I can`t let him get it(but why check then right...). And if he has KQ, I`m in awesome shape. Obv He can`t have KQ there tho, cause there`s a good chance that he would prob 3bet pre and Qx would prob check it back on turn.* And also a thought was that if he actually does have a flush, I at least have few outs . Anyways, so what do I even beat right.. I think you`re analyses is spot on and I defo should have bet/fold the turn. Really need to work on my game.
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02-23-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Beachman42
Congrats on the ticket!

Sounds like you may have been a bit "scared $$$" here. Shoving is really not optimal esp. without the A. Also, it would be very helpful to have V's stack size in the info.

Call turn and re-eval river.
Villain stack was about 100k I think. He was the table chipleader.

Yes, it is so easy to see now, how bad the shove was after I`ve done it.
But owning the ticket sure was great, Thanks
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02-23-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SuviKalle
TObv He can`t have KQ there tho, cause there`s a good chance that he would prob 3bet pre and Qx would prob check it back on turn.*
Seems like a pretty std call with KQ CO vs HJ open? Also, this guy called with 86s, highly doubt he's gonna be raising stuff like KQ anyway. That should be the only value you're beating ott; like you said Qx checks. Gotta call and at least see a river though. Definitely wouldn't jam, you're just in garbage shape when called unless he has some weird Ahxx that randomly floated flop (or AhQx maybe?)
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02-24-2017 , 08:23 PM
Flatting KQo is very standard
Next time you should be posting your image and villains. I could very well argue for checking on a Q55r flop esp with a weaktight image (flush draw makes this more of a bet) but if we have aggro image we should be betting

Could also argue for betting less on flop because we have a lot of bluffs (AJ/9Ts/etc) that want to bet here as well

If villain is calling 68s pre he's prob also calling 56s/A5s/etc pre, all of which aren't folding to a turn shove so we don't accomplish much by shoving


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