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Old 07-06-2012, 01:46 PM   #16
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

Ya pre is thin, Jcarver is in the SB with like a 16bb stack and BB has been spazzy, so I probably three bet about 0% here, which allows me to add some weaker hands to my flatting range.

Anyways I bet 4400, because I felt i had the best hand a lot of the time and the BB defends alot of 5x, Qx (q7s etc) and he bets the turn with lots of better hands in his range. He makes it 12k straight, I?
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Old 07-06-2012, 02:52 PM   #17
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

Well, I'm sticking to my plan, so I guess fold.

Your beat by, (in order) 74s, 42s, 55, 33, AQ, A6, A5, A3, Q6s, Q5s, 56s, 53s, AJ.

You beat some random bluff that had enough value to check/call turn and then risk giving a showdown on river in the first place, your broadway club hurts this a little bit as well.

Can't imagine there are enough bluffs to make this a call given how pretty perfectly and wide he can be for value. But also, I would have checked the river because there is no value here. Inducing a raise is a losing play when you are <50% (even if you are doing well enough to call after your bet in the first place)
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Old 07-06-2012, 05:19 PM   #18
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

I think he always three bets AQ pre. I think he rarely c/c's the turn with hands 2p+ ott and think he almost never c/c the turn with draws that have zero showdown.
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:20 PM   #19
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I think he always three bets AQ pre. I think he rarely c/c's the turn with hands 2p+ ott and think he almost never c/c the turn with draws that have zero showdown.
Yeah I mean these are all really standard assumptions... but they need to be carefully reconsidered in this spot.

I think you need to weigh your certainty and discount some combos of each. Not just say "well he probably wouldn't slowplay 2 pair"
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:14 PM   #20
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Ya pre is thin, Jcarver is in the SB with like a 16bb stack and BB has been spazzy, so I probably three bet about 0% here, which allows me to add some weaker hands to my flatting range.

Anyways I bet 4400, because I felt i had the best hand a lot of the time and the BB defends alot of 5x, Qx (q7s etc) and he bets the turn with lots of better hands in his range. He makes it 12k straight, I?
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:58 PM   #21
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

If he were going for value the best way for him to do that is go for c/r. Seems optimistic for him to want to bluff this board after it checks through the flop even though he know you can't be that strong.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:36 AM   #22
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

Am i the only one who wants to bet big?
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:46 AM   #23
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lol if he is a good HU player or handreader I don't think Bet/Call is a reasonable plan at all.

I mean, it might be okay, if your better at rock/paper/scissors than he is, but it's not some amazing default line.

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If he is a good hand reader why is it bad to bet/call? I mean, I understand he's going to know our range... but why would a good hand reader deem this a board where people bet/call somewhat thin?
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If he is a good hand reader why is it bad to bet/call? I mean, I understand he's going to know our range... but why would a good hand reader deem this a board where people bet/call somewhat thin?
Because its a major suggestion ITT, which implies that it is reasonable metagame.
There is nothing special about the board, but If you add up all the variables both ranges are kinda weak.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:15 PM   #25
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Am i the only one who wants to bet big?
This. I put villain on something like A 7-10 ... his check calls seem pretty weak. I would fire one last bet to try to get him to fold his weak ace. He is either really weak or really strong, so you might as well fire one more bullet to get him to fold marginal holdings that have you beat. If hes really strong he will re-raise then its an easy snap fold.
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

**** him, call
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:49 AM   #27
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

Given his image, we can expect villain to 3bet AA and QQ pre.
So we're basically fearing 55 and 74s (calling pre with 42s is just too fishy).
Our range looks extremely capped, so NSB advice seems really good.
I also think that he pretty much never has Ax, since it's an easy c/c on the river (sorry for the truism!).
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:41 AM   #28
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I haven't played poker with people who c/r the river as a bluff in like a month so when he raised I had to take a minute and recalibrate my poker mind into a state that actually thinks about difficult spots.. I tanked for a bit, thought it out realized that he can turn as strong as Qx into a bluff, is super wide pre, would rarely check the turn with a hand that beats mine so i decided to call. He had

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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

i like min bet one bb and call whatever the amount he decided to c/r for.
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:47 PM   #30
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Re: 10k 6max. Thin river spot vs. aggro opponent

This is how I feel when I see an MTT reg 9bet 84s, and get a fold versus the 8bet bluff.

Like, nice hand, I guess.
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