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0r - Dece turn c/jam spot? 0r - Dece turn c/jam spot?

07-24-2013 , 06:10 AM
What you think of my line vs this villain?

PokerStars Hand #101653921369: Tournament #814010506, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2013/07/20 13:47:53 ET
Table '814010506 5' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bobicamica (7448 in chips)
Seat 2: MiziMiziMizi (12255 in chips)
Seat 4: shinbunshi (10821 in chips)
Seat 5: Waldur1983 (17510 in chips)
Seat 6: j.thaddeus (7217 in chips)
Seat 7: Ricky Ray 90 (20449 in chips)
Seat 8: Ultraballs18 (31470 in chips)
Seat 9: ZESTnik (15070 in chips)
bobicamica: posts the ante 20
MiziMiziMizi: posts the ante 20
shinbunshi: posts the ante 20
Waldur1983: posts the ante 20
j.thaddeus: posts the ante 20
Ricky Ray 90: posts the ante 20
Ultraballs18: posts the ante 20
ZESTnik: posts the ante 20
Ricky Ray 90: posts small blind 100
Ultraballs18: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [Ac 9c]
ZESTnik: folds
bobicamica: folds
MiziMiziMizi: folds
shinbunshi: folds
Waldur1983: raises 200 to 400
j.thaddeus: folds
Ricky Ray 90: folds
Ultraballs18: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [Kd Qc 7c]
Ultraballs18: bets 415
Waldur1983: raises 700 to 1115
Ultraballs18: calls 700
*** TURN *** [Kd Qc 7c] [9s]
Ultraballs18: checks
Waldur1983: bets 2115
Ultraballs18: raises 27820 to 29935 and is all-in

Last edited by Pinchop73; 07-24-2013 at 06:15 AM.
07-24-2013 , 06:32 AM
Depends on what stats villain is playing? And I think it is a bad play, you just blown the pot so big. If he raises pre flop and he raises your donkbet, you don't think he's strong? You just put such a big stack into the middle with just a flush draw (+pair on the turn). I don't think this is ever good. C/c flop and donk or c/c river if the bet isn't too big.
07-24-2013 , 07:46 PM
Don't like...you rep basically what your hand is...a flush draw...guess you can have a couple suited 2 prs in here...but 2 of 3 sets are not in your range and you probably aren't c/r'ing an OESD...don't see you getting in 80bbs w/ top pair either unless it's Kxcc maybe.
07-24-2013 , 08:52 PM
You say 'vs this villain' as if you are about to drop some HUD stats or reads in the mix.
Not sure what hands you are trying to make fold. He doesn't have that many 1 pair hands
07-24-2013 , 09:17 PM
u get which part of his valuebetting range OTT to fold?
07-25-2013 , 03:02 AM
haha this is pretty bad
07-25-2013 , 03:04 AM
nice screen name though
07-25-2013 , 01:52 PM
hate the donk lead, c/c turn
08-03-2013 , 10:04 AM
Stupid donklead on flop with nut flushdraw, just easy c/c flop and sometimes c/r turn
08-04-2013 , 12:41 AM
Guys who never donk-lead hate a donk-lead. This line seems fine, you get a lot of 1 pair hands that might check back river to fold with the turn shove. I can't imagine KJ heroing it off AK maybe but wouldn't be happy. I too prefer a check call on turn but this is more stack preservation at very good table in a generally tough tourney.
08-06-2013 , 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Squee451
I can't imagine KJ heroing it off AK maybe but wouldn't be happy

*makes note to x/jam wet turns wider vs squee451*

let the leveling ensue
08-06-2013 , 04:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Squee451
Guys who never donk-lead hate a donk-lead. This line seems fine, you get a lot of 1 pair hands that might check back river to fold with the turn shove. I can't imagine KJ heroing it off AK maybe but wouldn't be happy. I too prefer a check call on turn but this is more stack preservation at very good table in a generally tough tourney.
i dont expect 1 pair hands to bet the turn

i think we accomplish nothing w/ c/s ott
08-06-2013 , 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGuthOBV
i dont expect 1 pair hands to bet the turn

i think we accomplish nothing w/ c/s ott
+1 - if we jam we just fold out draws/air and get snapped off by a range dominating us
09-29-2016 , 03:52 AM
He tank called KQss
09-29-2016 , 04:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinchop73
He tank called KQss
Damn, he tanked for a long time
09-30-2016 , 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Squee451
Guys who never donk-lead hate a donk-lead. This line seems fine, you get a lot of 1 pair hands that might check back river to fold with the turn shove.
Donk lead is horrible because most people don't include enough value hands in their donk ranges which makes it very easy to play against

It just smells of weak kings, queens, sevens and flush draws.

Check call flop, check call or check raise turn.
10-01-2016 , 03:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinchop73
He tank called KQss
but did you get there?
10-01-2016 , 05:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamboneee
but did you get there?
10-01-2016 , 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamboneee
but did you get there?
No , hence why he made thread
10-01-2016 , 10:22 AM
You have the attitude of a Scottish person....oh wait
10-01-2016 , 11:54 AM
Lol was that meant to be insulting? 🤔
10-02-2016 , 10:08 AM
I think the line is fine, he certainly has AK/AA/KJ/KT that can fold, as well as bluffs/other FDs. We're beat by KQ/sets/JT. Option is of courses to just c/c turn which seems fine as well, but I think he has enough hands that folds to a jam, your range looks strong imo.

I would personally c/c flop though.
10-02-2016 , 12:02 PM
villain isn't raising the flop with naked Kx
10-02-2016 , 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by imfromsweden
I think the line is fine, he certainly has AK/AA/KJ/KT that can fold, as well as bluffs/other FDs. We're beat by KQ/sets/JT. Option is of courses to just c/c turn which seems fine as well, but I think he has enough hands that folds to a jam, your range looks strong imo.

I would personally c/c flop though.
None of these hands raise flop, maaaybe AA or AK does but then they often check or bet turn smaller. We really shouldn't raise vs bluffs and lower flushdraws. I agree with c/c flop, or almost anything that's not leading small. We can lead huge, c/r or c/c flop and they all have merits, but leading small accomplishes almost nothing.
10-02-2016 , 01:22 PM
I don't neccesarely agree with the tight range you give him, I do believe your avg random player at 100 has a looser range than AK+, and I don't even think it's inconcievable that good regs raise KJ/KT given that they're very likely good on a flop that rarely gets better for those hands on coming streets.

And if his range contains a lot of bluffs/FD it's not like calling is super much better than shoving, we can't bluffcatch unless we hit, and when we hit our hand is pretty obvious.

      
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