Made it super deep in sunday supersonic yesterday and this hand happened right after making it past a payjump, with 10 players left. SB is a silverstar. had 530k chips and average was ~750k at this point.

Thoughts? Was calling correct?

Havent played much poker in the last 8 months so Im rusty



PokerStars - $204.76+$10.24|30000/60000 Ante 6000 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 36.7 BB
CO: 6.06 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BTN: 24.28 BB (VPIP: 31.36, PFR: 27.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.63, Hands: 1,357)
SB: 5.3 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (BB): 8.97 BB

5 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, CO raises to 5.96 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 4.7 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 4.96 BB

Flop: (17.63 BB, 3 players) 4 2 8

Turn: (17.63 BB, 3 players) 8

River: (17.63 BB, 3 players) 5

Hero shows Q J (One Pair, Eights)

Main Pot [16.11 BB]: (Pre 27%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)
Side Pot#1 [1.52 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)

CO shows K J (One Pair, Eights)

Main Pot [16.11 BB]: (Pre 28%, Flop 19%, Turn 12%)
Side Pot#1 [1.52 BB]: (Pre 71%, Flop 83%, Turn 93%)

SB shows 6 A (One Pair, Eights)

Main Pot [16.11 BB]: (Pre 45%, Flop 64%, Turn 81%)

CO wins 1.52 BB
SB wins 16.11 BB

This seems like an incredibly math heavy question.

That being said, I'm personally probably folding pre to preserve my FE, but I can't imagine the gambooool is that bad.

This is a fold. Let one of them bust the other out or close. Preserve your pushbot stack. Software would tell you to call way tighter than this.

If there are some incredibly short stacks at the other table I would consider folding for ICM reasons, and it being the final table bubble could tighten some shove ranges a bit. That being said, the blinds go up every 3 minutes so this may be one of the better spots you'll see to have a chance of building a decent stack, so calling isn't horrendous by any means.

Have you run it through ICMizer or whatever? It is hard to do that without stacks at the other tables and payouts. I am pretty sure it would say something like call 99+, AK or tighter. I wouldn't play as nitty late as software recommends, but you shouldn't be just gambling even for most of your stack like here. You don't want to throw away a pushbot stack to gamble for a stack equal to the big stacks 1/3 of the time and close to busted out the rest of the time.

one of the 2 allin players figures to bust soon which will get you to 9 handed final table, i'd prefer waiting for that

knowing paystructure would obv help; seems like a spot where u could solve it with the maths

You got nine big blinds, there is no way you ever need to call even one 5bb shove with QJs, not talking about shove and a call. Pretty huge icm spew. 10 left, you are guaranteed ft spot, you have a stack with FE. It's an easy ICMizier problem, haven't used it for a while, but I guess our range might be extremely tight there, like 99+ AQs+. Might even fold 99 there.

Clayton the sonic is 6 handed now

We certainly can't be folding if it's Hu like Mad1lee suggested, folding to the Co's shove in.a hu pot would be so unbelievablly bad

I think this hand is rly close but nobody can answer without payouts and the stacks of the other 5 players

And folding 99-66 or aq-at in the bb would be real bad 3 ways, assuming that the shove is for 6bbs, the op is kind of confusing because it says sb shoves 530k chips at 30/60 but the converter says sb has 5.3 bb. Also this is a hyper turbo were people often stall or play slowly near the ft, we aren't gonna have fold equity on a jam for many more hands.

I said the software would probably say something like call 99+/AK. I would call something like AJs+/88

good reply, agreeg

Thanks all for replying

I haven't tried solving it with icmizer since it requires every player's stack and I only know my table's players stacks right now. Also I'm not a paid user anymore.

Here are the payouts, my bad for not including them in OP.

1st 26.7k
2nd 17.6k
3rd 11.6k
4th 7.7k
5th 5k
6-7th 3.3k
8-9-10 2.6k

I finished 8th after shoving AKo 3 hands later and getting called by QQ.

@eagles SB had 5bb, in OP i meant that I had 530k chips. I also agree that if it went HU as Mad1lee said it would have been an easy call.

@clayton the supersonic is 6-max as eagles said

Overall I think I should have folded as most of you guys said, I'm mostly used to playing 6-max sng with 65/35 payout and the supersonic's payout is much flatter than that so I guess my SNG habits got the best of me.

tried solving with icmizer using real payouts, real stacks for my table and estimated stacks for other table (Using 750k avg stack overall and I remembered stacks at other table decently as I was watching it)

Used nash range for CO and for SB's range I used what he called with (A-6s) as the bottom of his range, which gave me 14% (nash was 13%)

gave me those results which makes senses to me

I would say that tighten that range up a notch since usually people are going to be tighter with shoves and calls at this stage of a Sunday major. But good job with icmizier.

Seems like a call, I would like to see the Sbs range but I doubt he folds a2s

IMO it is an easy fold. The 9xBB stack is valuable. Even if the blinds go up, you still have a pushbot stack. People will call a little too tight at this stage and it is hard for big stacks to call or push with other big stacks behind them.

Def. A fold with 9bbs. +1 to preserving your stack for a final table all in.

Agreed that you want to keep a pushbot stack. However, you would prefer to push before the final table if possible. You are playing short handed and people are probably playing tighter before the final table. Also, if you don't push before the final table, you won't have much of a stack.

I am also not crazy about a 3-way allin with a marginal hand, where you are going to wind up close to busted out about 2/3 of the time. If you push and are called or you push over a raise without FE, you usually get allin HU, and are less likely to bust.