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07-08-2014 , 03:11 PM

TuscaloosaJohnny

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Level 3 (50-100 blinds) of WSOP Event #60: $1,500 NLHE

I've chipped up to about 6K and Boyd, two to my right, has 7K. He makes it 250 to go and I call in the cutoff with Jh9h.

Flop is Js9s8d.

Boyd bets 250, I raise to 600 and he reraises to 1,800.

How do you play this?

07-08-2014 , 03:28 PM

abefroman84

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I'd probably start by folding pre but I think at this point after calling, you have to go with it. He plays pretty goofy and we have blockers to a lot of set combinations.

07-08-2014 , 04:55 PM

TuscaloosaJohnny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abefroman84

I'd probably start by folding pre but I think at this point after calling, you have to go with it. He plays pretty goofy and we have blockers to a lot of set combinations.

Yes, it was a fairly loose call preflop. I thought I'd give it a shot with position.

07-08-2014 , 05:20 PM

boobsicles

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Pre is fine in position. Prefer calling the flop to also protect out weaker holdings. But jamming now.

07-08-2014 , 06:14 PM

hitchens97

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TuscaloosaJohnny

I'm jamming. Too many draws here he could be doing this with. If he has 88, so be it, and we still have OK equity against that from us making top boat.

07-10-2014 , 07:06 PM

thaiha91

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If he ever going to continue bet on ALMOST turn card, then let him bluff and get it in on turn(less variance + more bluffing range) he probably have a strong draw here, so ship flop is ok. I prefer call flop then go from there.

07-10-2014 , 08:14 PM

GordenBombay

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i don't think i raise the flop here, but as played i guess i get it in.

07-11-2014 , 05:11 PM

TuscaloosaJohnny

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So here's how the rest of the hand played out:

Spoiler:

07-11-2014 , 05:27 PM

ebet33

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3b or fold pre def not calling
as played move to bbv

07-11-2014 , 06:43 PM

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boobsicles

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Now that I think of it, it is a better call againsts a tight player more on the nit side...a pro will put you in a lot of tough decisions

07-11-2014 , 11:14 PM

#11

p2 dog, p2

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ur smoked bro, didnt even check the spoiler

we all like to hero but truth is 3 bet on the flop hes got the goods. sometimes because its 2014 i want to hero but in 2007 i pry would have been like ****, i should pry fold(although in 2007 villains may have over played an aa - qq here) and back to 2014, i always want to be like, errbody aggressive nowdays and then they show the nuts. he looks pretty strong here dont he??? without reads, he is, i assure u.

07-11-2014 , 11:56 PM

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nonsimplesimon

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I think calling pre is ok despite he's a pro or w/e. Otf if if I am not comfortable gii then I d just call.

07-13-2014 , 09:43 AM

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methia33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

I think calling pre is ok despite he's a pro or w/e. Otf if if I am not comfortable gii then I d just call.

Can u give us a few reasons u would not be comfortable getting this in vs this type of villain (experienced thinking player)

07-13-2014 , 11:07 AM

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SNGplayer24

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Think if we were OOP raising the flop wouldn't be best as there's a ton of turn cards that make us unhappy - in position I guess its OK provided we have some idea how to react to this......I dont know how Dutch plays but I bet if you ran some numbers this is very very close

07-13-2014 , 11:42 AM

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boobsicles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by methia33

Can u give us a few reasons u would not be comfortable getting this in vs this type of villain (experienced thinking player)

He never said he is uncomfortable to GII...he's suggesting that OP is uncomfortable to GII and therefore should have called the flop in that case

07-14-2014 , 02:52 PM

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TuscaloosaJohnny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SNGplayer24

I think you're right. In retrospect (and not being results oriented), I think it would have been best to call the flop to reduce my variance on such a wet board. No need to try to double up in a spot like that when still have plenty of play left (6K chips, 50-100 blinds for another 45 minutes or so.)

07-14-2014 , 02:55 PM

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TuscaloosaJohnny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boobsicles

He never said he is uncomfortable to GII...he's suggesting that OP is uncomfortable to GII and therefore should have called the flop in that case

I felt pretty strongly I was ahead on the flop, so from that perspective I wasn't uncomfortable getting it in. I did fear (as proved to be true) I was gambling pretty hard on a near coin flip.

07-14-2014 , 03:32 PM

#18

boobsicles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TuscaloosaJohnny

I felt pretty strongly I was ahead on the flop, so from that perspective I wasn't uncomfortable getting it in. I did fear (as proved to be true) I was gambling pretty hard on a near coin flip.

I don't understand....if you 4bet pre and commit 30% of your stack and a V 5 bet jam and exposes AK, is that a hard gamble? I don't think so...same scenario you have committed near 35% of your stack and you have 58% equity against his exact hand

07-14-2014 , 03:43 PM

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TuscaloosaJohnny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boobsicles

And I don't understand that...I'm saying I felt pretty strongly I was ahead, but not WAY ahead. Not sure the odds I get a fold on the flop with my four bet, but I'm putting him to the test and not the other way around, so certainly I felt good about that.

07-14-2014 , 07:17 PM

#20

p2 dog, p2

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when u get 3x'd on that board, without a read, u can assure the opposition has a bunch of equity. this is like the bottom of his range, it's either sets, flopped str8, or a huge draw like open end plus flush or what villain had, kq suited.

07-15-2014 , 06:47 AM

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Registrationtoo

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sometimes in poker you are in flip situations.

i think you played the hand fantastic.

07-16-2014 , 06:05 AM

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NeverScaredB

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I'd definitely flat the 3-bet against this villain.

07-16-2014 , 10:13 AM

#23

TuscaloosaJohnny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

I'd definitely flat the 3-bet against this villain.

Interesting take. So how are we handling the turn in this case?

07-17-2014 , 01:08 AM

#24

NeverScaredB

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TuscaloosaJohnny

Interesting take. So how are we handling the turn in this case?

With position and a strong range against a guy who tools out a bunch.

07-18-2014 , 06:25 PM

#25

gostatego

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do people really tool out on these flops in the 3rd level on this board? seems doubtful especially after chipping up early.

edit: doubt he shows up with anything besides 2p, sets, straights, combo draws

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