We'll talk more about programming when your wrist is ok.

Thx for the advice. I'm not sure how much aspirin or nalproxene is helping so im switching to ibuprofen. It's not an emergency but it's tough to deal with clients when I'm already in pain, lol.

If it gets better in a few days and is only a moderate bruise/sprain, massaging with icyhot or some sort of heating ointment did wonders for me. Of course don't massage if it creates more pain.

I had a really bad fall snowboarding last week and half my hand was purple and the pinky and ring finger could move, but there was pain whenever it bent even a little.

After a week a lot of pain was gone, but any bending would cause a ton of pain and tightness, and my palm was still purple. Being asian and raised on "massaging away the bruise", I finally spent an hour or so just massaging it with icyhot and the next day I was like 85% healed and my palm was normal color again.

Very anecdotal and not very scientific, but I'm sure stimulating the area and enriching the bloodflow made it heal significantly faster. Using ice/heat and a compression wrap yielded nowhere near as good results. Just wanted to throw this out there since it was such a recent event .

Sounds like you're saying I need to get an "Asian massage" (the quotes were added for extra stereotyping imo). I can just tell my g/f that bearz from 2p2 said it would fix my hand...right?

I'll see what my chiro says tomorrow. At this point massaging it seems premature as it would hurt like hell and likely mess stuff up more but at some point that likely would do wonders for increasing circulation and accelerating the healing process. It makes sense to me that would help more than just heat once circulation was more important than bringing down swelling.

Where were you snowboarding btw....I didn't think anywhere had any snow, lol.

Asian massages (all kinds) are awesome.

But yeah I generally distrust eastern medicine (herbal, acupuncture, etc) with a passion since my parents loved it so much while I always thought an aspirin and some theraflu was worlds better, but I really can't knock asian chiropractors. Every time I have a sprain or a dislocation or some muscle pain, the RICE method is always all I ever get from my regular doctors, and it takes weeks to completely heal.

When I go to some random old asian guy in chinatown, he aggressively does some massaging, slaps some crap on it, and the next day I'm almost fully better. Maybe I only remember the good times though.

Yeah it definitely seems premature to be increasing the circulation, just wanted to post before I forgot. I went to Camelback in PA btw, wasn't a lot of snow but I had a couple passes to use up before the season ends, which seems to be soon.

Say the Chiro - he confirmed the sprain (not a break). I was feeling pretty positive about my wrist today. When I woke up it was MUCH better already. Tbh, I was expecting yesterday to be like today (pain when using it but not a huge deal), but yesterday it just hurt and was swollen all day long.

Did he work on your forearm?

Have you been taking the ibuprofen? Did you talk to him about that?

Keep taking that for ~ a week imo - 4 pills, 3 x / day. That will help it heal.

My wrist has been bugging me lately and I think doing OHPs with my wrists bent back in the bottom position started the issue. You might want to avoid OHPs for a while. Back squats and bench pressing might also cause problems for you.

I think you should invest in some good wrist wraps. You can use them for squatting and any kind of pressing - they work great.

I have a couple different kind of Elite FTS and one kind from ATP. I like the regular Elite FTS ones and the ATP ones best, but ATP is really slow to deliver, so I recommend Elite FTS. Do not get the heavy duty ones - you wont like those. Get these imo: http://www.flexcart.com/members/elit...d=300&pid=3017

I didn't talk to him about ibuprofen. Do you have a strong opinion on it vs. aspirin vs. nalproxin (aleve)? From what I understand they are all similar but, for instance, ibuprofen usually doesn't do anything if I have a headache and nalproxin is helpful.

Thanks for reminding me btw, gonna take some more ibuprofen right now .

Dr. K did work on my forearm and I'm gonna work on that on my own too.

As far as lifts, squats is gonna be the 1st thing I can do again. My guess is then bench, then DL, then OHP, but maybe DL is less hard on my wrist than I think and more about finger/grip strength.

What is the purpose of wrist wraps? I guess I can get some, or I can just let my wrist heal a bit longer (what my plan was).

Doctors tell me ibuprofen works better on the inflammation than naproxen or aspirin. You're not taking it for pain - its to help reduce inflammation.

Back squats bother my wrist a lot right now - a lot more than bench presses. I wouldnt be surprised if they start bothering yours.

DLs should be good for your wrist. Wraps wont do anything for DLs.

Wraps keep the wrist tight and prevent it from bending as much. They help a lot for benching, pressing & squatting imo.

middle aged white/italian guys we played were incredibly dirty and physical players. they'd trip, hook, hack, and foul unnecessarily hard. we kept arguing with the replacement ref (regular one didnt show up) and you could tell he couldnt care less. there would be incredible amounts of body contacts and hacking, and he wouldnt call ****. it seemed like the more we pointed out blatant fouls, the more he made it a point to not call anything. i could understand if he thought we complained too much -- but he's supposed to be a ref, not a random person.

this was the last series before the playoffs, so it was understandable to be playing harder than usual, but when an ex-USC football player says its too physical, it's really too physical.

all this culminated in one of them hacking our guy while another guy kicked his knee while going for a layup. result? knee dislocates and ruptured tendon and ambulance has to come. we were about to straight up brawl but they kept apologizing and looking sorry.

gonna try to get our entry fee back for such a sorry ass ref to help cover some of the medical bills.

That's ****ing ridiculous. Do you think they actually did it intentionally or simply were playing out of control and being unnecessarily physical?

What sucks about Rec league is that you're paying the refs, but many of them are just dicks and don't listen to player feedback at all. Pisses me off.

The foul itself was definitely intentionally a hard foul, but I doubt they meant for it to cause an injury. Our guy got a step on someone and drove down the base line. The "help" defense came to hack him from the back and the original defender jumped in from the front. I have no idea why his ****ing feet were kicking out like that, but I'm guessing he was just out of control and wanted to make sure he fouled hard.

Throughout the game they'd hook and hold, and whenever we called them out on it, the other guys would pretend to be telling the other guy to stop doing it, but then they'd do it themselves a minute later. We should have just started doing the same thing, but realistically if you're not used to playing like that, it's hard to do it as well as them.

Incompetent refs are tolerable, but when it leads to a serious injury of one of your friends, and you've been complaining the whole game about it (we even have emails where we tell everyone to watch out cause this team is dirty as ****) then that really is too far over the line.

That just really sucks all around. I agree with hooking/pushing. I suck at it so when guys do it to me I know I'll eventually get frustrated so I usually warn them to stop. Tbh, the only guys I usually warn are big guys that don't need to hook me but, whatever, it's hard not to be obv about it unless it's part of your game already.

It's good they were remorseful, hopefully they try to stay a bit more controlled, fouling smart instead of simply hard (e.g. wrapping someone up instead of undercutting).

I've only been in 1 real fight in a rec league game in SoCal. They just cold cocked one of our guys for no reason at all and then they fled when the cops were called. I had to physically block half of our team b/c it almost just turned into a brawl (physically we woulda won but they had a lot of random ppl watching, who knows if someone had a knife/gun/etc).

Anyway, I hope your friend recovers and those guys get a warning from the league or at least a notice goes out to the refs to keep the games under control.

2/29 log

SMR, mobility

Intervals:
16 x 15 secs allout/30 secs rest

My wrist feels a bit better today but not amazing so I won't be attempting lifts for at least a few days yet. Thinking about going back to the gym tonight to do some more SMR and maybe intervals. They are kinda weird, I feel like I basically can't go anymore but then 2minutes later I think "man, what a pussy, I only did 12 minutes of work in here". Meh.

You might be able to pull with no problems imo - DLs, rows, chins - those shouldnt bother it.

Hmmm, lifting things up via pulling right now isn't super easy. We're moving our office tomorrow and I'm not sure I'll be able to carry or lift too much. Seems risky.

yeah be careful & dont do anything that hurts it

That's the plan. For example, I'm drinking some tea right now, which shouldn't hurt it. But I'm not going to punch my coworker, which would hurt it.

3/1 log

SMR, mobility

Intervals on a stationary bike:
16 x 15 secs allout/30 secs rest

3/3 log

SMR, mobility
Non-interval cardio on a recumbent bike for ~30 mins, I completely didn't pay attention to how long I went.

3/4 log

Did some weights! But not what I normally do:

Leg Press
180x10
270x5
450x5
540x5
630x5
720x5x3 (WR)

Was tough. Neato to put 720lbs on anything and move it. I have no idea if this is "good" or "bad" given what I was squatting though. Not a true WR b/c....leg press ldo ofc.

GHR

I finally figured out how to do ghetto GHRs!! Holy @#$@##$ these are impossible. I had to start by putting a bosu ball on a step thing that was about 3 feet high. My last set I was just going off of the bosu ball on the ground but man, only being able to push off with 1 hand made me miss several reps and I still barely did any reps as you can see:

bosu+2 steps x 1 rep x 2 sets (I was having some issues with back cave and form to start with in terms of getting my legs in the right spot and other things...felt the other sets my form was pretty good though).

bosu+2steps x 3 reps x 2 sets
bosu + 1 step x 3 reps x 2 sets
bosu x 3 reps x 1 set

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

3/6 log

SMR, mobility
Non-interval cardio on a recumbent bike for ~30 mins, I completely didn't pay attention to how long I went.

3/8

Squats
225x1
225x3
225x4
224x3

I was able to get my wrist into position and the heavier weights didn't seem to be too bad. However, the mobility required to get my wrist where it normally is wasn't quite there. Anyway, I was able to do work set weight but my wrist regressed (in terms of pain and stuff) about a week.

I think I'm not going to try squats today (when I was next gonna do it). Not sure if I should even try DL or what....ugh, frustrating.

Bench/OHP were a no go

GHRs
BW/bosu ball x 3 x 5/6

These are still super tough. My g/f said on the first couple I was bending a bit at the hip not just the knees. Which got better throughout my sets but still was present at the end. So I'm not super straight but I do think I'm keeping my back set and straight.

3/9

SMR, mobility
Non-interval cardio on a recumbent bike for ~23 mins, I completely didn't pay attention to how long I went.

3/10

Went running outside around a lake. Not sure how far. 2 miles? I dno.

Still not sure what I'm going to do today. I would do the "core workout" I was doing a few months ago Cha wrote out for me but not sure it's worth it if holding the DBs with my injured wrist make it worse. I think I'll do GHRs and perhaps leg press again? And I dno, that fly machine for chest (the "pec deck")? That won't put any pressure on my wrist.

I can for sure do things with it but I want it to get better more before subjecting it to work weight stuff - and I want to do Squats/DL/bench/OHP, I don't want to keep it from getting better doing curls or offset DB core work.

front squats with a cross handed grip?

lots of goblet squats?

weighted step ups?

split squats?

Get some wrist wraps!

I've never done front squats before and am "afraid" and/or worried about trying since I don't know the form. But maybe I should do a bit of reading on them in the next hour b4 the gym and do squats.

Ehhh, I could but holding it will be awkward for my wrist. I can for sure do it but doesn't seem worth the pressure on my wrist as I grab the DB (no actual KBs at my gym).

Yeah I was thinking about these - should be better on my wrist than goblet squts so I may do some of them.

I don't know what these are at all...hmmm, from looking at a video seems like a lunge. Not sure I want to do these without first doing some research or coaching. I'd rather try front squats.


Hmmm, do I really need wrist wraps? It seems weird to me to have to lift with those and like a crutch. Doesn't it make more sense to try to heal my wrist and do things unwrapped? Or is the point of it not just to make it easier to lift with my bad wrist?

Also, if I get the one you linked to, should I get some other stuff from that store. Shipping was like almost as much as the damn wraps!

I kinda do regret not ordering them immediately but I don't like the idea of relying on things like that to do lifts.

If you had been using wraps the last time you squatted, there's a better chance than not you would not have hurt it again.

You're not going to want to wait to use your wrist again until its 100%, and there might be a chance you aggravate it again if you dont wrap it.

Its a legit use, not a crutch. Its not like using a belt or knee wraps - it does nothing to enhance your performance. Wrist wraps just protect your wrist.

Wear wraps for squatting and all pressing stuff and you wont regret it.

This is coming from someone who has had lots of recurring wrist issues over the past 15 - 20 years. The problems are likely to return regardless of what you do, so why not do everything possible to prevent that from happening?

If I had the wraps squatting I don't think I could've gotten my hands in their normal position. I had my hand with an ace wrap and had to take it off to get my hand into position.

Ok I'll buy it, should I get anything else along with it that you are going to have me get soon anyway .

Also, should I try for heavy DLs or lightish DLs or just keep doing GHRs and wait for the wrist wraps?