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Subway is pretty dirty, but I've perfected the art of oven-roasted chicken sub that makes it tolerable.

I hope Victor and Ostensibly Thremp continue reading this thread.

And we go back to inventing crap. 1 oz mayo = 200 calories. 1 oz rasberry vinagrette = 30 calories. They also make a light version of the rasberry vinagrette.

That's all well and good, but raspberry vinaigrette causes rats to experience headaches.

citation needed

Oh by the way guys my comments on mayonnaise are obviously in jest (obviously with that ridiculous chipotle mayo comment). I don't want to derail the thread, so again if you guys want to attack my mayo comments just do it in my blog or the low content thread. YTF is doing a good job here. I attempted to add some humor. Let's move on.

Keep up the good work YTF.

Actually Subway has a really good breakfast imo and you could easily eat a nice meal that is under 700 calories (you could even have like 2 sandwiches for that)


At any rate, if having a BK breakfast to kick start your day and keep you full throughout while you manage to have smaller/lesser calorie dense lunch and dinners then keep it up.


if it aint broke dont fix it yall

MONDAY, JULY 2, 2012

BREAKFAST: Veggie omelet and bacon, 702 cals.

LUNCH: salad, dressing, chicken breast. 360 cals.

DINNER: PF Chang's Meals for Two, Beef with Broccoli. I ate the whole thing, served over white rice....and oh, by the way, a bag of white rice has 383 calories, not the 96 calories as listed on MyFitnessPal. Grrrrrr. 1103 cals.

DESSERT: one banana, 110 cals.

TOTAL: 2275, still crushing my target of 2710.

Tomorrow's my favorite day of the week: $45 hold'em tourney (I've cashed two of my last four, including a first-place) followed by karaoke and beer! I'm hoping my friend Ben shows up, he's really good and he's promised to sing back-up vocals for me some time, so I've got a few songs I want to try that way. Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes" comes to mind, or Styx's "Too Much Time on My Hands". We've also talked about maybe doing BOC's "Don't Fear the Reaper". Ben says I should do "Comfortably Numb", he says he has a few ideas on backing up that one. He was doing Journey's "Lights" one night when I jumped up on a whim and backed HIM up, and it sounded pretty tight, if you ask me--even though he was really doing all the heavy lifting on that one.

ytf,

could you describe why this is so much easier than any other diet? is it because it's like a game? because it's so transparent? because it works?

It's because I'm eating so much more fat and protein, I would imagine.

Take my old breakfast: omelet cooked in olive oil, meat (bacon or sausage), and a bagel w/spread. On all my other weight loss attempts, I would think, "I want to lose weight. Better lose the meat and the olive oil!" I'd eat the omelet and bagel, and be hungry an hour later at the most.

Putting that chicken breast on the salad at lunch makes it a meal. I never would have done that before. It would have been just plain salad, with some awful low-fat dressing. It wouldn't hold me till dinner, AND it tasted so awful that eating it day after day was like punishment.

I've been eating huge plates of food at dinner time this week. Earlier efforts would have seen me trying to eat as little as possible at dinner.

Now do you guys see why I'd be too hungry to sleep? Why the insomnia and the hunger would leave me crying in my bed?

Yeah, it is kinda funny how knowing a little bit about the subject can allow you to diet and still eat an entire coffee cake once a week for lolz.

Nice fuzzy math. Mayo is oil and egg whites. Raspberry vinaigrette is oil, vinegar and some sugar. there's no way the calorie difference is that large without fudging some numbers. At least compare light mayo to light vinaigrette, instead of inventing a strategy of dousing food in dressing. Yes, they make light mayo too. Did I just blow your mind?

If your mayo comments are in jest, then keep them in your log/lc thread. You seem to mention it in every other paragraph you write in this thread.

Awesome. I can't wait to read about your next weigh-in.

Tip: for items with "fuzzy" or not obvious serving sizes. multiply the calories per "serving" by the number of "servings" per package. That's the total calories in that box. Divide that over the number of "actual servings" you will eat from the box.

I just did a search and found 2 tbls Raspberry Vinaigrette listed anywhere from 30 calories to 80 calories, with most in the 50 calorie range. (Of course you can find crappy no sugar versions at like 15 calories.)

If you're comparing it to mayo solely based on calories, Raspberry Vinaigrette is clearly a better choice.

I just did a search and found that a tablespoon of mayo ranges from 35 to 100 calories, so an ounce is anywhere between 70 and 200. *gasp* could it be that the key to dieting is compliance, rather than switching dressing for mayo?

Hey if you want to compare low fat mayo, which tastes like ass, to normal raspberry vinaigrette, then by all means...

And BTW I'm not arguing that somebody on a diet shouldn't eat mayo. If you can fit mayo into your diet and still maintain your target deficit, then it's clearly not a problem.

lol vinaigrette v mayo
they are the same thing (culinary wise)
one is just higher ratio fat/acid and emulsified.

the classic vinaigrette is 3:1 oil:vinegar, but the ratio can be anything leading to varied calorie counts.

Real mayonnaise is a real food and not even that bad for you. Although I don't personally like it. Fake mayonnaise is beyond AIDS.

Point is, if YTF ever makes, say, a homemade burger or sandwich and wants to make his own mayo (or buy some real stuff) to put on there, it's not exactly the end of the world.

BTW I am really enjoying this thread even with all the derails (which I have obv contributed to), as it's making me slightly more aware of my own actions every time I shove another handful of deep-fried bacon chips into my gaping maw.

(In all seriousness I am trying to cut back on all the fake foods I enjoy like Doritos and Goldfish crackers, and stop snacking so much. I personally find reducing caloric intake to be much more difficult than lifting/exercising.)

Ya. But I imagine compliance will be really low.

Wading around is weird.

Why do you continually say this sort of stuff?

I have not seen you substantiate anything you've said regarding this whole "fake food" rant. Can you use science to support your views of why they're "AIDS"?

Are you even acknowledging context/dosage? Or just dumping foods in good/bad bins?

ytf,

Your OOT thread is really really bad. Its like every person who has some kooky idea but doesn't want to be made fun of posts it in there. I couldn't bring myself to reading it after the scale discussion (basically irrelevant, I support daily + pictures if you can). And then some of the same nonsense that was addressed here being cross posted.

Extensive credentials : I was a note-taker/scribe/reader/tutor for a university student with learning disabilities studying to become a registered dietitian. I went with her to all her classes, took notes and then re-taught her the material. She took 3 nutrition courses in the time I worked with her.

First, this is just contributing to the derail. I don't think YTF should be doing anything different then he is. It's a huge accomplishment to reduce his caloric intake by such a factor and be happy to stick with it. He can worry about his diet, as a whole, sometime down the road.

Considering the mass of ridiculous nutrition web pages out there I can understand why someone would dismiss the notion that "fake foods" should be avoided. Way, way too many "sources" will tell you they are "AIDS" and should never be eaten. This is the case even though there is little solid science backing up the claim, afaik. That said, in all 3 courses they recommend drastically limited these types of foods from your diet. They're empty calories and there's a concern they may be harmful when eaten over extended periods of time. Basically, only consume in moderation. Sorry, I don't plan on wading through the internet trying to find reputable sources, there's just way too many sites that cite bogus pseudo science on the topic.

gl YTF! Keep it up!

I don't really understand how its hard to find reputable sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

Good luck.

Keep up the great work, YTF.

Arguing over mayo vs. another type of dressing is pretty LOL at this point. When you're trying to go from 1800 to 1600 calories, you start looking at the minutia. When you're trying to stay under 2700 calories after averaging over 5K calories a day and doing a good job at that, having a tablespoon of mayo on one sandwich is not the place you should be focusing right now, IMO.