YTF: 10 months in, lost 150lb. Thinnest fat guy his mom knows. - Page 9

PNHH · 06-29-2012, 12:53 PM

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I'm a bit concerned you are making too drastic of a change and once you reach your goal, you'll be tempted to slip. There's an advantage in living very close to "long term living diet" rather than "gotta get the 100 lbs off diet" in that once you get there, you won't have to switch as much. But if you feel good and don't need to eat, don't force it down. But your habits need to be very sustainable for you to be successful long term.

This.

I'm aware that any progress is good progress at this point, but you should imo still try learn what a healthy meal consist of and not just count calories. With "healthy" I mean stuff that you can in all practical sense eat as much of as you can stuff down without it impacting your weight. Stuff like relative lean meats, broccoli, spinach (and pretty much all green vegetables), peppers, tomatoes, lettuce, onions, mushrooms, zucchini, egg plant etc. It doesn't really take that much effort eating 2 lbs of veggies a day and 1 pound of meat to go with it. It will pretty much fill you up and in no way make you fat. This also leaves more room to "freeroll" on the chocolate, without even having to log calories (even though it is a good thing that you are doing it right now).

**SGT RJ** · 06-29-2012, 01:05 PM

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Which is another thing - do you snore? Sleep apnea is very common among bigger people and can do a lot of damage. If you have it, you will stop breathing in your sleep, oxygen levels drop in your blood, and eventually end up waking up (without even realizing it). The severe cases can have you waking up 30 times a night.

One of the best parts about my boyfriend recently losing ~25 lbs is the fact that he no longer sounds like a diesel engine downshifting when he snores.

He has rather serious fatigue issues anyway (he doesn't have apnea, but might have a mild form of narcolepsy), but the really loud snoring appears to have been solely a weight issue. We're both pretty happy he quit doing that.

I mean, he still snores a bit, but it's a light, much quieter noise.

youtalkfunny · 06-29-2012, 04:28 PM

OK, the first weekly weigh-in numbers are in, and I'll preface them with, "Is this even POSSIBLE?"

Copied from the OOT thread:

I just had my first weekly weigh-in, and it says I've lost 17 pounds. I was wondering if that was even possible; I hopped on and off the scale a half-dozen times to make sure; I started wishing I had done that sort of double-check last week; I even tried moving the scale to a different bathroom tile; I wondered if bending forward to see around my belly to read the scale was affecting the measurement; I went and got my phone/camera to use as a periscope for this purpose!

Anybody got a gif of Sean Connery in Red October backing away from the periscope, looking positively shocked and pleased at what he's seen?

Spoiler:

You gif-makers can find the vid here.

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

I think you can still tell him that genetics makes it harder for you than others, that part is true, and it will be a struggle, but tell him you were just doing the wrong thing and it let the results show and show how there are just minor things to change. Tell him how all these supposed experts were talking out of their ass and you believed them. I think being skeptical of supposed experts is a very good trait to have and I don't think he could blame you there. How heavy is your son? I remember you moving away from your kids a few years back, is that still the case? I'm wondering if you have much control over their diet, so it might be helpful to give them better options when you are feeding them. Your son is gonna be hellaproud of you for doing this. My dad was a bit heavy growing up and I didn't like it (I was skin and bones then), and tried to get him to do something. Never worked though. He wasn't as big as you, but it bothered me. He blamed bad genes and all (his brothers were way bigger, his dad was bigger, etc...). But he was in his 50s he decided lose weight and cut minor things out and dropped the pounds big time and it didn't make him look any worse to me (I was grown by then). I was very proud of him. He actually got smaller than me (although I never got to see it, he died shortly as a complication to sleep apnea due to damage to his heart over the years), so that was great to know he did it. But I think you phrase it as "these experts told me wrong, and with some help, look what I could do". At 12, he's probably got a good chance to not get to a very bad level for his weight with help.

Which is another thing - do you snore? Sleep apnea is very common among bigger people and can do a lot of damage. If you have it, you will stop breathing in your sleep, oxygen levels drop in your blood, and eventually end up waking up (without even realizing it). The severe cases can have you waking up 30 times a night. This causes you to not get into REM and not get well rested. It also will cause your heart to work harder and harder trying to get the small amount of oxygen in your blood to the rest of your body. This can damage your heart over time by overworking it. In my dad's case, he started having arrhythmias and it eventually gave out. I ended up getting tested (at the time, I was 190 lbs, so far from overweight), and had it too. But it's a lot more common in overweight people and more severe. That might be something to consider looking into if you think you may have any of the symptoms. You might want to set up a video camera and record yourself sleeping if you don't have someone who could watch for you.

As for the walking, it's not going to make a huge calorie difference but it will make you feel a lot better and also take away some opportunities to eat out of boredom. So far you have been feeling great, but it will probably get tougher after you have been doing this kind of thing for weeks and it could help you out a bit.

I'm a bit concerned you are making too drastic of a change and once you reach your goal, you'll be tempted to slip. There's an advantage in living very close to "long term living diet" rather than "gotta get the 100 lbs off diet" in that once you get there, you won't have to switch as much. But if you feel good and don't need to eat, don't force it down. But your habits need to be very sustainable for you to be successful long term.

Here's the most recent pic of my son. I should point out that in recent months, he's been living part-time with his grandmother, for the express purpose of trying to feed the kid better and take him to the gym. IOW, not long ago he was a lot more overweight than this:

Plus, he's 12, so he's starting to grow into that body a little bit.

His grandmother is a big lady, so I don't know if she knows any more about nutrition than I ever did. She reports that she finds this kid's appetite remarkable. He just never wants to stop eating. I just told her, "That's my boy!"

--Yeah, I snore like a bastard. INCREDIBLY loud, I'm told. If I fall asleep in the recliner, I'm sure to wake up with a sore throat and sore nasal passage.

--Don't be concerned that I'm making "too drastic a change". This has been the LEAST drastic diet I've ever tried! It's not even CLOSE. I'm ENJOYING this one, which I could never say about any of the others. So far, I don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything.

TomCollins · 06-29-2012, 04:40 PM

Yeah, he's a big boy, but at that age, he probably can't weigh more than 180 or so, so healthy habits and small changes can basically make him grow into the body while losing a few pounds along the way. But without the changes, he could easily be 350 by the time he's 18.

Do you always feel super tired and groggy in the morning, or are you well rested after sleep? I used to fall asleep everywhere, always be tired in the morning, etc... After I got my sleep apnea machine, I started waking up before 7 without an alarm and full of energy. I never fall asleep watching TV anymore. It was huge. Snoring by itself could be a weight issue, or a sign of sleep apnea, and it might be worth getting a sleep study just to be sure. For me, they had me sleep with a oxygen monitor on my finger one night at my own bed, then collected the data the next day. Based on that, they can tell if more study is needed. It might be worth talking with your doctor and is a very simple thing to check and won't require any drastic measures if not needed.

This is good you are enjoying the diet, but it's a lot of times easy to get excited about something right away and have that excitement drop with time. Just keep in mind your goal (2700 calories), and as long as you beat that, you are winning. If you feel great one day and only need 1800, great win, but if you start getting hungrier or feel the need to eat a bit more but stay under your goal, that's still a huge win, so don't beat yourself up.

youtalkfunny · 06-29-2012, 04:58 PM

No, I've never in my life woke up feeling well rested. That's what those Diet Cokes are for in the morning.

You're almost certainly dead-on with your apnea diagnosis of me, but before I get fitted for my mask, let's first see if dropping 100+ helps any.

SomethingClever · 06-29-2012, 05:05 PM

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No, I've never in my life woke up feeling well rested. That's what those Diet Cokes are for in the morning.

You're almost certainly dead-on with your apnea diagnosis of me, but before I get fitted for my mask, let's first see if dropping 100+ helps any.

I probably wouldn't wait that long. It sounds very likely that you do have sleep apnea and it's no joke. It's also definitely possible to still have it at a lighter weight.

Congrats on a good first weigh-in.

pageh656 · 06-29-2012, 05:15 PM

nice weigh in, keep it up

TomCollins · 06-29-2012, 05:24 PM

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No, I've never in my life woke up feeling well rested. That's what those Diet Cokes are for in the morning.

You're almost certainly dead-on with your apnea diagnosis of me, but before I get fitted for my mask, let's first see if dropping 100+ helps any.

It may help, but even at 280 it's still likely to be an issue. And it is quite damaging. I weigh 210 lbs and still have a moderate case of it. If I was heavier it would probably be worse, but it's still worth risking.

The mask would be fine either way. But you also don't have insurance IIRC, so that's a concern, the machines are usually leased-to-own. And having some coverage first would be helpful. Keep it in mind. It could save your life. And it certainly is a quality of life issue. Getting solid rest is amazing and if you haven't experienced it, you'll be a changed man. Getting into work by 10 was a struggle for me and I'm up before 7 every day with no trouble now. When I was working out early in the mornings, even getting up at 4:45 to go to the gym was very easy.

bearz · 06-29-2012, 05:50 PM

i snore like a beast and im on the light side. ive been wanting to get it checked out, but it's one of those things that you never get around to because it never feels 'pressing' enough

youtalkfunny · 06-29-2012, 06:28 PM

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Anybody got a gif of Sean Connery in Red October backing away from the periscope, looking positively shocked and pleased at what he's seen?

Poster and fellow OOTiot RiverFenix was kind enough to oblige this request.

Sort of.

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TomCollins · 06-29-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bearz

i snore like a beast and im on the light side. ive been wanting to get it checked out, but it's one of those things that you never get around to because it never feels 'pressing' enough

The initial test is super easy, just a light on your finger that measures Oxygen and you sleep with it. Then they come pick it up the next day and you see if you make it to the next round. Second round is more, you have to go sleep somewhere and get hooked up to all kinds of probes, and possibly hook you up to a machine if they get enough samples to know if you have it.

RiverFenix · 06-29-2012, 08:30 PM

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Poster and fellow OOTiot RiverFenix was kind enough to oblige this request.

Sort of.

That isn't even the one I wanted to upload. Photobucket is being ridiculous and not letting me change it to this one.

All in good fun

youtalkfunny · 06-29-2012, 08:50 PM

Of course. I'm LOL'ing all over again.

I even thought about making it my new avatar, but as your newest gif suggests, I'm pretty strongly identified with the old one, so it's tough to replace.

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