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Originally Posted by kaby
I'm struggling with the same problem as you (my legs' ability to get the weight up >> my core/back's ability to not round), so I feel your frustration. The way I think about it, the squat is not just a leg exercise, so a squat with poor upper body form isn't a squat at all - and I'm cheating myself if I think it is. Your squat videos all look bad to me (back rounding), as do my own, and they won't improve by you saying they are OK-ish.
Once again, as someone who can get 3x5x105kg up but struggles to do 3x5x80kg with correct form, I feel your frustration in having to drop down weight. I'm not trying to be a bummer here, but telling yourself form is ok is just a mental shortcut that in the end hurts your progress and might get you hurt
Just compare your videos (or mine in the form check thread!) to for example rav's and you can see the huge difference in back form for both squat and DL.
Yeah thanks for that, I think you're right and I am deluding myself on my form. I appreciate the feedback my tendency to rationalize poor behaviour is a big part of why I started this log.
One thing I'm perplexed by is how it can be an issue of lower back weakness if I'm able to good morning much more weight up. Doesn't that require lower back strength? I think, and I could be way off base here, is that it's a combination of lack of hamstring flexibility leading to the flexion that happens at the bottom of the descent, and lack of quad strength leading to a more ham/glute dominant GM-squat on the ascent.
I plan to go down to 185 on Sunday and see what I can do there, along with implementing a lot more stretching at night and after the workout. I saw in your form check, and in other places on the web, the suggestion to cut depth at wherever you can go without lumbar flexion. Depending on how 185 goes that may be what I have to start doing. I may or may not start front squating in place of back squating once per week. On the one hand I think that might help with quad strength (and I think core strength) which would be good, on the other hand I'd really like to maximize my practice time on back squatting to try and resolve these issues quickly.
11/26
OHP
WU
3x5x105
WS1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8PG-zs_jDQ
WS2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY3dbhRo0qo
WS3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eDQy00NCyk
These went good?
DL
WU
1x5x325
WS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjkGbIFoYVs
I went down in weight to try and work on form. I tried to squeeze like hell in both upper and lower back, I don't know if you can see it on my face in the first one but I really was focused on being tight. I've got a pretty pronounced arch through my upper and mid back. Lower down there's this bump that I've been trying to convince myself is part of my hip but I suspect that may be another case of me lying to myself and it's really my back. Not sure what to do there, maybe another case of poor hamstring flexibility?
Last edited by UpsideDownChuck; 11-26-2016 at 07:17 PM.