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Old 05-12-2017, 11:22 AM   #24551
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Ok then do reps. I really don't give a damn.

The only real reason I could imagine it being valuable is if you struggle replicating your first rep for multiple reps thereafter. The 2nd rep would give some practice with the setting up between reps at a heavier weight.

But this is the beginners thread, not the Sheiko powerlifting coach extraordinaire thread. If you really think 90%x1 vs 90%x2 prior to your work set is going to make significant difference over the course of your training career, then have at it.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:23 AM   #24552
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Kind of a related note, but I find that my second work set (doing sets across) is almost always better form than my first, so that might indicate that I'm not doing enough reps when ramping up. But more likely it's probably me just being a not athletic person.
It's a pretty normal phenomenon.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:45 PM   #24553
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I would also cite olympic weightlifters who tend to make pretty big jumps in work weight for squats in the many videos I've seen of elite WLer training
The more you squat the bigger jumps you can make. Like if your 1RM is 550 you are not going to waste time doing sets at all 135 185 225 275 increments. Maybe more like 135 225 315 etc.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:04 PM   #24554
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Ok then do reps. I really don't give a damn.

The only real reason I could imagine it being valuable is if you struggle replicating your first rep for multiple reps thereafter. The 2nd rep would give some practice with the setting up between reps at a heavier weight.

But this is the beginners thread, not the Sheiko powerlifting coach extraordinaire thread. If you really think 90%x1 vs 90%x2 prior to your work set is going to make significant difference over the course of your training career, then have at it.
Sheiko trains beginners. There is a Sheiko forum with his programs with 130k posts. This is for ONE coach and his spreadsheets. This isn't uncommon training at all. Maybe in USA.

90x1 vs x2 is totally not that important, agreed. If the goal of the workout is to squat 100x2 and that's a max, then doing 90x2 or 95xanything is arguably extra workload that could detract from the main set. Sheiko definitely programs days like this too.

However, in terms of the training philosophy this represents, it's a much bigger problem. If the vast majority of your volume comes from max intensity work sets, then (1) you won't be getting in near as much volume as you can because of the toll of the max intensity work sets, and (2) if you aren't an elite lifter with perfect form even at maxes, some or all of your reps will be performed with worse technique than your warmup reps.

(2) appears to me to be a big problem on this forum. Tons of people are doing squats and deadlifts with 200-350 with unacceptable technique, and thats MOST of their volume. It's not like they are just deteriorating a little on max sets, multiple sets per workout will have bad reps, and that's basically their entire program. Those people will never lift as much as Aidan, because their technique would never hold up at higher weights and progress would stall, whereas his technique is sick.

What do you think is going to develop a stronger athlete, someone who is at 100% intensity for several sets a week with the form inconsistencies that working at your max brings, or someone who does multiple times that volume with near perfect form at slightly lower intensity? Said athlete moves from that stage into higher intensity as the program progresses, and peaks for a competition or 1RM test. Everyone but beginners who don't even have a 1RM can train this way, so it's not super advanced theory or something.
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Old 05-12-2017, 04:31 PM   #24555
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If im going from bar to 100, I skip the 40 and 95 in that example. It goes pretty fast because you dont need any rest between warmups, just load the bar for the next one straight away and go again.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:25 PM   #24556
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Awesome conversation about an almost meaningless topic. This reminds me of wether we should cut first and then bulk or recomp?

The realities of natty training state this all completely meaningless. We are talking peanuts, do whatever the fack you wanna do. Just don't go zero to hero in one swoop.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:48 PM   #24557
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am I the only one who read that in the voice of the Hodge twin?
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:25 PM   #24558
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Awesome conversation about an almost meaningless topic. This reminds me of wether we should cut first and then bulk or recomp?

The realities of natty training state this all completely meaningless. We are talking peanuts, do whatever the fack you wanna do. Just don't go zero to hero in one swoop.
No trolling in the BQ thread
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Old Yesterday, 09:59 AM   #24559
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Re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread****

Not trying to sell, but would anyone be willing to hypothetically buy a set of six 0.625lb powder coated washers for microloading for around ~$25 USD? I'm trying to determine if there's a market for these on Etsy/Ebay etc. since I can procure and finish them quite easily.



If I can see there's a market for them I'm happy to sell them to anyone here at cost which would be ~$15 USD for the set.
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Re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread****

I own 1.25s already, so personally I'd only need two, but I'd think there'd be a market for these (especially at that price).
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Yea from what I see commercial ones are already hard to find readily available and even then they're ridiculously expensive, rivaling prices of 5lb, 10lb even 25lb plates. Would just have to find out how to cheaply ship across Canada & the US.
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