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Originally Posted by BPA234
LOL at asking a PT anything about anything but especially about weight lifting.
Never said "go to PMs" said take it to your log or mine...to not tard up either of these threads.
You going all nuclear all the time man...you ok? I'm pulling for you bro. I know that 110 is right there for you...
Your view on what a physical therapist (dunno what you think a PT would mean in the context of a trainee in rehab) would advise seems amiss. The problem is not that all PTs are morons, but that some are better attuned to the needs of athletes. I'm sure there is someone who could give him a better opinion than literally "google/sort by success of athletes" neither of which are pertinent for Jeff.
Aside from your poor memory, you frequently want to sidebar conversations that would be embarrassing for you. Discussions of this sort are frequently how people learn about the subject. When I corrected Holliday on his previously poor advice I didn't balk at having to provide an actual reference since that helps people actually learn. You instead choose to personally attack people and never bother to actually defend your views in any sort of reasonable manner. Your attempts to dismiss my posts as "nuclear" is also silly. Nothing I have said attacks anything other than your ability to reason which is sorely lacking. When you face a gap in knowledge and then make something asinine up, you engage in the same repeated behavior.
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Originally Posted by BPA234
Great progress. I would prioritize getting going on a compound movement, heavy weight lifting routine. Otherwise, you're going to end up in pretty bad metabolic/hormonal shape.
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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
This is bull**** and you should know better. His metabolism will be the same as virtually every other human without illness and his hormones are a complex milieu affected by many things. The idea that a middle aged man who starts lifting weights will "fix his hormones" is absurd.
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Originally Posted by BPA234
LOL at Tnation. I was just going to link him to Layne's site so he can eat pop tarts.
In all seriousness, I think Wilde's loss rate is running extremely fast. In the study that you posted, which I think would have been a lot more interesting if it ran 4-5 years rather than 18 months and had men included instead of just obese middle aged women, they classify loss as follows
"FAST" (> or =0.68 kg/week, n = 69), "MODERATE" (> or =0.23 and <0.68 kg/week, n = 104), and "SLOW" (<0.23 kg/week, n = 89)
Wilde is averaging just over 2 kilos per week. Which puts him way above Fast. Maybe would not be as high a difference if men were used in study...but still think would be considered very high.
He started with a TDEE of 3,000 calories with no exercise and he is eating half that when, I think most recommendations, even aggressive ones, would be a lot higher than that.
Wilde is also not doing anything to maintain his LBM. Which is not a great idea and yeah hormonally that will have an impact when the estrogen is his gut fat is setting up a standard counter productive loop for his test production.
I'm open to being wrong on this and learning how. Don't want to keep posting here though. Feel free to PM me or post in my log...even after you torch me here for this post.
Emphasis is mine for both complete insanity and also forgetfulness. You'd be better served by clarifying your thinking and understanding when you're wrong about something. In lieu of personal attacks admitting something like "Dropping a barbell from a front rack probably isn't going to cause someone spinal injury who has limited t-spine mobility" or "sorting by success of athletes for someone who is injured and in an entirely different subset probably is a poor heuristic for having him receive actual help".
I think beginners may not understand the topics being discussed in great detail, but this would be far more beneficial than listening to a vapid personal attack that seems to assert a superior strength level seems to add some sort of validity to one's point. Holliday is significantly stronger than I am as well, but still just as wrong as anyone else who posted the same prior viewpoint.
I guess this is a more general problem of establishing novice/experts in fields where someone is a novice. Simply asserting something contentious to a novice doesn't behoove them in any way, nor does burying the conversation in a sidebar. Perhaps they can learn something from the discussion and better be able to ascertain the quality of advice. However, many people (you and cha59 have many similarities tbh) would prefer a veil of secrecy to hide any perceived pretender status. This is silly as you are willfully misleading people via your own ignorance via personal insecurity.
Guess that was quite a wall of text. But I think everyone would be behooved if you attempted to articulate the ideas behind some of the advice you give in these threads to n00blords instead of resorting to personal attacks.
Last edited by Mihkel05; 03-19-2017 at 08:01 PM.
Reason: thnx but I'd never ask a dude who is 50% weaker than the best squatter I know for advice