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06-20-2013 , 10:06 AM
I've never taken creatine so don't read this post.

But from what I've read, you can get an extra 1-2 days of saturation if you do in fact load, so why not? The stuff's supposed to be cheap, right? I've also read that non-responders exist because they already have the creatine from their diet. Nuclear, do you eat a lot of beef? Or maybe their body's just better at making it?
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06-20-2013 , 10:19 AM
IIRC one sign that you're a non-responder to creatine is that you don't gain that initial few lbs of water weight when you start taking it (of course you may or may not have been keeping track of that).
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06-20-2013 , 10:25 AM
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Nuclear, do you eat a lot of beef? Or maybe their body's just better at making it?
Nah. Maybe a few pounds a month tops ranging from something like a beef stew to hamburger to a steak.

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IIRC one sign that you're a non-responder to creatine is that you don't gain that initial few lbs of water weight when you start taking it (of course you may or may not have been keeping track of that).
I really didn't track my weight, but I do know I was hovering around 163 for quite awhile and probably due to the Creatine then its been around 165-166.
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06-20-2013 , 04:34 PM
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Am I understanding this correctly?
You're understanding just fine. I disagree with high volume assistance work (it's for hypertrophy), but that's part of the program.
I did heavy assistance work and my lifts were progressing fine.

Someone help me understand how heavy rows and chins will not help your press and bench press more than light, volume work?
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06-20-2013 , 07:14 PM
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For anyone experienced in yoga, what is the minimum/ideal time to get some use out of it? Like would 10 mins a day be fine? Or is it one of those things that 1 min > 0 min and the more you do the better?
Why do you want to do yoga?
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06-20-2013 , 11:22 PM
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You're understanding just fine. I disagree with high volume assistance work (it's for hypertrophy), but that's part of the program.
I did heavy assistance work and my lifts were progressing fine.

Someone help me understand how heavy rows and chins will not help your press and bench press more than light, volume work?
I believe Wendler lays out his reasoning in 5/3/1 and Chad Jones copied it in Juggernaut, and Paul Carter echoes it as well.

The purpose of accessory lifts is to:

1) strengthen weakpoints
2) build mass
3) complement the main lifts
4) aesthetics

Wendler (& even Rippetoe has said similar things) mentions how, if your goal is to drive the main lifts, high intensity accessory lifts will eventually hurt your gains. Plus, heavy bb rows are cool and all, but eventually, everyone starts cheating. No one cares how much someone rows, good mornings, shrugs, curls, etc.
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06-20-2013 , 11:57 PM
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Think of pushing with your hips to use the glutes and hams.
On this comment...

Ever since my mind flipped in doing this for deadlift, I've PR'd now 3 weeks in a row and I can feel it in the G/H every time too. Granted its been a +5lbs each time and just a 1RM PR. But that's also after working up to the weight.

I probably could have pulled 2x bodyweight tonight, but I'll settle for 1.96x for now. I know that's not terribly impressive, but to my tinybroness its fine by me and I don't give a **** what anyone else thinks.

I need to start doing GHR's somehow and I'm sure I could explode in my DLs..
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06-21-2013 , 04:02 AM
Ok **** it I'm still struggling with this shoulder/bench issue and I'm sick of it. I wanna start fixing it NOW.

Do I have to look into shoulder rehab work or something? I've been reading some articles but I'm not sure whether it's right for me.

I have a stingy left delt pretty much every time I have to put force onto it, even without holding weights. Almost 2 months now. Cannot bench.

PS I don't have any resistance bands or anything
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06-21-2013 , 10:01 AM
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Why do you want to do yoga?
I've seen some Yoga that is basically mobility work. Most Yoga I've seen is a combination of static stretching, dynamic stretching, mobility exercises and breathing. I'm not so interested in the static stretching but definitely interested in dynamic stretching, mobility and breathing.

I have started getting up a little earlier and doing some sort of mobility exercises in the morning - band work, foam rolling - but I thought Yoga would be a good addition too, I just don't want to spend hours doing it...

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06-21-2013 , 10:33 AM
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Ok **** it I'm still struggling with this shoulder/bench issue and I'm sick of it. I wanna start fixing it NOW.

Do I have to look into shoulder rehab work or something? I've been reading some articles but I'm not sure whether it's right for me.

I have a stingy left delt pretty much every time I have to put force onto it, even without holding weights. Almost 2 months now. Cannot bench.

PS I don't have any resistance bands or anything
Dont bench while this is a problem.

The place where you feel pain is not likely to be where there problem is if the problem is coming from trigger points, which is a strong possibility. Read Yugo's SMR thread.

I dont have a lot of time right now, but search this thread for my posts about shoulder stuff. Google "cressey shoulder" and read stuff that he says. The Buchberger 12 program is a solid rehab/prehab shoulder program.



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I've seen some Yoga that is basically mobility work. Most Yoga I've seen is a combination of static stretching, dynamic stretching, mobility exercises and breathing. I'm not so interested in the static stretching but definitely interested in dynamic stretching, mobility and breathing.

I have started getting up a little earlier and doing some sort of mobility exercises in the morning - band work, foam rolling - but I thought Yoga would be a good addition too, I just don't want to spend hours doing it...
Some yoga moves are good mobility exercises. Some are bad and have led to people exploding discs in their backs. Doing those kinds of moves, especially in the morning when your discs are most susceptible to injury is a bad idea.

Whatever mobility stuff you do, dont do anything that twists or flexes or hyper-extends your lower back, especially if you're doing it in the morning.

No, you dont need to spend hours. You should be able to do a very good good rolling & mobility routine in under a half hour. Its good to do that stuff pre-workout or at the end of the day.

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06-21-2013 , 10:36 AM
Thanks Cha.

Also... Cha for mod!
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06-21-2013 , 11:57 AM
Lets say you're at a typical friday lunch with your work buddies and you drink 1L of beer (2 pints). What are the negatives on your 6pm workout that day? Should you move it to the next day?

Same question for after a workout. How negative is drinking 1L of beer in the evening after a workout for recovery? What about getting blasted (6 pints+)?
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06-21-2013 , 12:01 PM
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Lets say you're at a typical friday lunch with your work buddies and you drink 1L of beer (2 pints). What are the negatives on your 6pm workout that day? Should you move it to the next day?

Same question for after a workout. How negative is drinking 1L of beer in the evening after a workout for recovery? What about getting blasted (6 pints+)?
Before - I would drink extra water, work out and not worry about it. After - again, as long as you're not dehydrating yourself from the alcohol, and you dont care about the calories, its no big deal.

Getting blasted might be a bigger deal. There's been some debate on that, but some people think that can hamper your progress for up to two weeks from getting really blasted.
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06-21-2013 , 12:05 PM
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Getting blasted might be a bigger deal. There's been some debate on that, but some people think that can hamper your progress for up to two weeks from getting really blasted.
oops
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06-21-2013 , 12:16 PM
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oops
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06-21-2013 , 01:55 PM
How does one self diagnose and differentiate between lower back spasm, strain or something else?

was squatting heavier than normal; on my 3rd rep on my way up i felt a discomfort in the lower back/hip area like i was using far more in that area than i should be. my 4th rep repeated it. i stopped it

now it hurts everywhere i go and everything i do. if i'm lying on my back on the bed, it's neutral. if i try and raise either of my legs slowly up, my back hurts. if i try to hold the knee towards my upper body, it hurts. walking kind of hurts. it's like my lower back is in shambles and feels very fragile

i'm not sure how to approach it I've already had this happen once 3 years ago while working. last time it took me like 6 months to fully recover with chiropractic visits heat/ice and stretching.
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06-21-2013 , 05:12 PM
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How does one self diagnose and differentiate between lower back spasm, strain or something else?
To do it thoroughly, you'd want to go to medical school & specialize in the spine or neurology.

For quicker stuff you can do yourself, read my log beginning June 2011. You're going to want to read Stuart McGill's books - read Low Back Disorders first and then read Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance.

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was squatting heavier than normal; on my 3rd rep on my way up i felt a discomfort in the lower back/hip area like i was using far more in that area than i should be. my 4th rep repeated it. i stopped it

now it hurts everywhere i go and everything i do. if i'm lying on my back on the bed, it's neutral. if i try and raise either of my legs slowly up, my back hurts. if i try to hold the knee towards my upper body, it hurts. walking kind of hurts. it's like my lower back is in shambles and feels very fragile

i'm not sure how to approach it I've already had this happen once 3 years ago while working. last time it took me like 6 months to fully recover with chiropractic visits heat/ice and stretching.
It sounds bad. See a professional. If your chiropractor does not do Active Release Technique, I strongly suggest finding a different one who does, preferably one who is certified at the biomechanics level. To go to a chiropractor who is not good at ART is a waste of time imo.

Either that or see a back specialist, but I would hesitate & get another opinion if they suggest surgery.
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06-22-2013 , 12:09 PM
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I didn't even know what a piriformis was but after watching vids and stretching and rolling just a little bit I can really tell how this affects my back. Yowza.
OK, I tweaked my back yesterday doing squats. It really stiffened up afterwards and was stiff today. Today was my run day and I wasn't expecting to be able to do it. But, I wanted to roll. So I found a spot which may or may not be the piriformis. It's sort of on the side of my butt. When I googled how to roll it, whatever I was doing hit something. So, I got the lacrosse ball on it. Jeebus it was tender. I worked it as much as I could.

But, when I got up and walked around, the stiffness was gone. I went on a pretty long run without any issues.
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06-22-2013 , 12:15 PM
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How does one self diagnose and differentiate between lower back spasm, strain or something else?

was squatting heavier than normal; on my 3rd rep on my way up i felt a discomfort in the lower back/hip area like i was using far more in that area than i should be. my 4th rep repeated it. i stopped it

now it hurts everywhere i go and everything i do. if i'm lying on my back on the bed, it's neutral. if i try and raise either of my legs slowly up, my back hurts. if i try to hold the knee towards my upper body, it hurts. walking kind of hurts. it's like my lower back is in shambles and feels very fragile

i'm not sure how to approach it I've already had this happen once 3 years ago while working. last time it took me like 6 months to fully recover with chiropractic visits heat/ice and stretching.
hurp. I've had this my entire life. What cha is telling you is good. Because of this forum I've learned to roll, learned some about trigger points, and have been seeing a chiro that does ART.

I am not completely out of the woods. I still have episodes. (see above) However, what I don't have any more are the sorts of debilitating episodes that you are describing. I get that twinge or discomfort now, it is much less painful, much less stiff, and doesn't last more than 2 or 3 days. It used to be weeks/months.

My advice is to listen to what cha says. He definitely knows his stuff.
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06-22-2013 , 12:59 PM
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OK, I tweaked my back yesterday doing squats. It really stiffened up afterwards and was stiff today. Today was my run day and I wasn't expecting to be able to do it. But, I wanted to roll. So I found a spot which may or may not be the piriformis. It's sort of on the side of my butt. When I googled how to roll it, whatever I was doing hit something. So, I got the lacrosse ball on it. Jeebus it was tender. I worked it as much as I could.

But, when I got up and walked around, the stiffness was gone. I went on a pretty long run without any issues.
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06-22-2013 , 03:23 PM
hey guys i stopped taking whey maybe a year ago or so and cant for the life of me remember what brand it was. looking for recommendations - it was chocolate flavor, and mixed well when blended with peanut butter+milk+ice.
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06-23-2013 , 09:53 PM
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oh and another thing- and i might cross post this in the H&F thread too- but wondering how my workout is and what i can do to improve/enhance it.


here's where I'm at currently for workouts:

M/W: Upper body
-Warm-up with walk and 1 mile jog (8 min pace)
-Bench press. 10x135(warmup), 8x185, 6x205, 2-4x225. occasionally switch the last set to repping 135 till i fail
-lat pull down. on a machine with the individual cords rather than 1 bar.
-hamstring stretch and ab bridges/planks. ab bridges i do front 30 sec, each side 30 sec, then front again 30 sec, all without dropping down. then i repeat at 25 sec and 20 sec.
-free weight dumbells: shoulder press, incline chest press, rows (like knee and arm on a flat bench style), 1 arm clean type thing? basically standing, do a curl then extend my arm over my head


Tues: Legs
- Walk and jog warm up again
- hamstring stretch and repeat my ab bridges/planks
- BOSU ball exercises. balance 1 leg for a minute each leg. flip it over so im standing on the flat side and do 1 leg squats while balancing. flip over again and balance holding a full knee bend/squat for as long as i can each leg
- Squats
- Dead lift
- Calf raises


Thursday I have been taking a day off or swimming or just jogging. Usually do at least something but it depends how sore my legs are. Friday I do both Upper body and lower body as listed here.




Im basically doing 3 sets of everything except bench where i do 4 if you count that warmup set. typically am doing a 10/8/6 rep but somethings ill do 10/10/10 or 8/8/8. also occasionally skip legs on Friday and do them saturday instead. Saturday ill just jog. Sunday I never do anything as Im usually pretty beat up at that point.



So my workouts generally take me like 90+ minutes. I go pretty damn hard while Im there. How does this look overall? I feel like its a pretty good workout and im covering most things but anything can be improved. I used to do assisted dips instead of the rows but i think the rows are way better. may add dips back in. also thinking about adding in the rotating ab machine thing (think drago in Rocky 4).


And then the last thing I guess is that I suck at squats. Like i used to play catcher in baseball and always figured i had strong legs. not sure what my deal is. I am going all the way down when i do them (no bull**** 45 degree angle squats). but im weaker at them comparatively to everything else. part of this i attributed to hurting my achilles and not doing squats for awhile (only been back doing them a couple months) but my deadlift has been improving more (never did deadlift before a few months ago).

I can bench 255 max, havent maxed out dead lift but am repping 205. squats last week i nearly failed on my 4th rep at 175. Idk.



oops this post got long. ty to anyone that reads it, lol.
cross post from the fatties thread.
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06-23-2013 , 11:32 PM
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hey guys i stopped taking whey maybe a year ago or so and cant for the life of me remember what brand it was. looking for recommendations - it was chocolate flavor, and mixed well when blended with peanut butter+milk+ice.
it seems like 2p2ers take optimum nutrition
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06-24-2013 , 05:46 AM
Anyone switched to the SS 3rd ed press technique? It looks... well, a bit silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMAiN...TbI7YTD0pxqMgH

I'm torn given I'm inherently bad at pressing, and Rip clearly knows better than me, but I still feel like I'd rather grind out progress on the classic lift. Might have missed the discussion on this one since I've been out of touch for a while...

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06-24-2013 , 06:53 AM
Looks like a hip assist instead of leg assist.
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