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Question: Started doing SS about a month ago, unfortunately an old shoulder injury from when I was doing gymnastics has flared up again from benching. I read through the injury guide on SS wiki and am doing the exercises in the shoulder section but feel like my specific problem wasn't really addressed there so maybe someone with a bit of knowledge/a similar problem in the past could suggest some stretches/exercises or suggest an alternate exercise to the bench to rectify the issue and get me back on track.

It basically goes like this: warm-up sets are fine until I get to about 130 pounds (work sets are 175) when I start to feel stress across and inside the anterior part of my left deltoid. Once I get to my work sets I have to do my first reps extremely slowly because it feels like pressure is building up in the area and it could pop at anytime. However, after that initial rep, the rest are fine but my left shoulder will ache after finishing the set.

There is no pain or stress whatsoever when doing shoulder presses. When doing the low barbell squats I have trouble getting my left elbow as high as my right to properly "press" the bar into my back so it could possibly be a flexibility issue (or perhaps the flexibilty problem was caused by injury doing bench). The pain/pressure has being getting progressively worse.

I am fairly certain that my form is still intact from when I trained gymnastics and gym 3 years ago. Any help with this problem is much appreciated, sorry for the tl;dr.

P.S: when using the mixed grip for deadlifts should I be alternating the grip from rep to rep or set to set, or just be sticking with the same grip, IE: left palm facing outwards, right palm facing inwards?

From reading the Starting Strength forums I've gathered that Rip will recommend dropping the bench and just pressing 3x/week for a few weeks when people have minor shoulder pains/issues. Here's a link to a bunch of threads where Rip addresses different shoulder problems: http://www.startingstrength.com/reso...searchid=25418

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12-18-2009 , 06:57 PM

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anklebreaker

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Originally Posted by Machmood

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12-18-2009 , 07:00 PM

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Thremp

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Ankle,

You know what a clean calorie is. Stop trying to troll this thread up.

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12-18-2009 , 09:04 PM

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toothy

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFondue

And that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while about your gym. Go to a new gym imo.

University gym so they're slack in general, only one bench, one squat rack (which is constantly being used by mouth-breathers doing curls while looking in the mirror) no dumping area. When I graduate to power cleans I'm going to switch gyms but for now no money = no new gym.

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12-18-2009 , 09:05 PM

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toothy

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Originally Posted by pkrplyrX

Thanks for the prompt reply.

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12-18-2009 , 09:45 PM

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pkrplyrX

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Originally Posted by toothy

Thanks for the prompt reply.

The link doesn't appear to be working anymore, just go to SS forums and search "shoulder pain."

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12-18-2009 , 11:03 PM

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toothy

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Another question: I have poor flexibility through my calves, hammys, glutes and especially achilles. While working on these problems is it ok to use plates (think high heels) to do my squats? Or is it better to not do squats at all until I am flexible enough to do them without plates?

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12-18-2009 , 11:05 PM

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toothy

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Originally Posted by pkrplyrX

The link doesn't appear to be working anymore, just go to SS forums and search "shoulder pain."

Cheers, will do. I can probably use my downtime to study the SS forums.

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12-18-2009 , 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by toothy

Yes, that works. In fact, squat shoes have an elevated heel to help people with this.

Additionally, look into foam rolling.

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12-19-2009 , 02:32 AM

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Should I expect a significant drop in energy level when eating at a deficit?

I'm eating at 2500 cal/day right now, and am feeling quite a bit slower/more lethargic/more tired.

I'm sure it could be for a myriad of reasons, sleep, mood, placebo, etc.

If so, just take more caffeine? Man up? It's all in my head?

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12-19-2009 , 03:42 AM

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I would think a slightly slanted slat of wood would be much better, if you can manage to get that made. If you just put a plate under your heel there is a part of the foot not in contact with anything, and it is therefore less stable.

Ideally you would get a pair of weightlifting shoes.

Johnnyfondue,
I noticed no loss of energy during my weightloss (but did see a drop in performance), but I had quite a bit of fat to lose so it wasn't terribly drastic. Also, I never counted a single calorie, just estimated everything and tried to be a bit hungry for some period of the day.

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12-19-2009 , 07:07 AM

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JF,

from experience being on a deficit can slow you down some at first, then you get used to it. Eating at 2500 it sounds sort of weird though.

Guise,
fwiw Rip speaks against wood under feet to combat poor flexibility in hams/glutes.

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12-19-2009 , 08:05 PM

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what are some things i should be doing when i don't have gym access? right now i'm doing lots of stretching, air squats, pushups (i like the variation where one leg is elevated. feel it a lot more in core/legs), crunches, and obviously chinups/pullups when possible. since the intensity is gonna be pretty low, should i just be doing really high reps, or not taking a day off?

fwiw i do SS, this is for when traveling (or being trapped inside by 2 feet of snow).

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12-19-2009 , 10:06 PM

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do pistol squats rather than air squats to up intensity. raise both legs to make push ups tougher. dumbell exercises if you have any.

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12-19-2009 , 10:27 PM

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pkrplyrX

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Use 2 chairs to do dips.

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12-19-2009 , 11:58 PM

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So my mum is lactose intolerant (as well as having coeliac disease). Should this be a reason for me not to try GOMAD?

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12-20-2009 , 12:05 AM

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tmcdmck

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gallon of almond milk a day would be so hardcore

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12-20-2009 , 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Soulman

Yeti,

it's in Practical Programming 2nd edition, another Rip book. And yeah, deadlift every session first two weeks.

It's squat - bench/press - deadlift.

After the first two weeks, add power cleans instead of DLs every other session. 3-4 weeks after that, add pull-ups/chins. Gets a bit more complicated, PM me if you want the details or better yet, buy the book.

i don't see any important reason to do it like this. I mean, it's fine, but in the long run it's really no thang.

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12-20-2009 , 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by delerium

So my mum is lactose intolerant (as well as having coeliac disease). Should this be a reason for me not to try GOMAD?

What happens when YOU drink a glass of milk? Afaik lactose intolerance is vastly overestimated in the population. Most problems are rooted in the fact that people dump a freezing cold litre of milk into their empty stomachs and stop eating food with fibre IMO.

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12-20-2009 , 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dtemp

It's not unusual to feel tightness in the lower back when you first begin deadlifting. That should go away shortly. The pain I don't know about because everyone's interpretation of pain is different. Video will be the most helpful with this question, obv.

ha. earlier in my SS when I was pulling a beastly 135, using the sink to wash the chalk off afterwards was a massive strain. It was like doing the dishes X a birrion.

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12-20-2009 , 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Genz

I'm fine when I drink milk, just a bit worried that with all the history of food allergies on my mum's side of the family that I might make myself intolerant of lactose if I drink that much milk every day.

Has anyone here tryed GOMAD with good results? If so I would love to hear about it.

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12-20-2009 , 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by delerium

hit up GOMAD for the start of my weight gain, after a while got massive diahrea attacks after drinking milk, stopped drinking a lot of milk, my gains stalled out for a good part of the year. just a week and a half ago started slowly ramping up the milk intake again and hoping to get up to 180 around march.

check progress pics in december thread.

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12-20-2009 , 10:00 AM

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Machmood

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Try taking lactaid pills. I used to get INSANE gas and diarrhea when I would put milk in my PWO shake. My mom suggested taking a lactaid pill 5 minutes before and it did wonders.

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12-20-2009 , 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Machmood

Try taking lactaid pills. I used to get INSANE gas and diarrhea when I would put milk in my PWO shake. My mom suggested taking a lactaid pill 5 minutes before and it did wonders.

talking to me?

if so, i don't need it i think, i adjusted by taking lots of small quantities instead of half a liter at a time or more.

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12-20-2009 , 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by delerium

I gained 17 lbs from Nov 7th to Dec 7th with GOMAD and SS, from 153 lbs to 170 lbs. I had a lot of gas in the beginning and I had trouble ****ting because I wasn't getting any fiber. Then I started trying to eat a serving of vegetables here and there plus I started taking "Lactose Intolerance Therapy" pills which are $12 for a month's supply OTC. You start out taking 2 pills the first 2 days and 1 pill/day after that or 2/day if you need it. I'm going to 2/day because I had crippling gas the other day at work.

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