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03-06-2012 , 08:37 PM
In a lowbar squat, does shin angle/amount of knee forward travel contribute to quad involvement in the movement?
03-06-2012 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jdock99
-All in all, I found this video to be sort of a tweener. The girl is not doing anything impressive enough for me to enjoy this as a fitness video, and she is not quite attractive enough to make it good eye candy, so kind of stuck in no man's land.
I somewhat agree, but her old stuff is better than her new stuff.

Try youtubing some older videos. Over the years she has become too ript. Which I guess was her goal, so props for that.
03-06-2012 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by therowdy
Gym idiot story followed by a question for the H&F regs.

A week ago I managed to completely lose my grip on the bar benching and dropped 270 lbs. on my chest. It was an embarrassing and painful ****-up. It's been a week and the pain level is pretty unchanged. Most movements that put strain on the chest cause pain in the upper chest. For example, rolling over and getting out of bed in the morning is pretty painful. Laughing hurts and sneezing is awful. But it's not an unbearable pain nor is it constant.

Do I bother going to the doctor and getting x-rays? Or do I just figure it's been a week, I probably didn't break anything, let it take care of itself? Even if I did fracture a rib or something the treatment is just go easy and wait for it to heal so I feel like it isn't worth it to spend the time and money on appt. with the doctor and x-rays.
I have no medical advice... but were you using a thumbless grip? If so, this is indeed a 'gym idiot' story.

For the record, it does sound like you could have broken/fractured a rip or maybe done cartilage damage. Last time I did this, the doctor diagnosed it by standing in front of me, puttig one hand on either side of my body and gently squeezing. With very little force it was seriously painful.
03-06-2012 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 00Snitch
I have no medical advice... but were you using a thumbless grip? If so, this is indeed a 'gym idiot' story.

For the record, it does sound like you could have broken/fractured a rip or maybe done cartilage damage. Last time I did this, the doctor diagnosed it by standing in front of me, puttig one hand on either side of my body and gently squeezing. With very little force it was seriously painful.
Not a thumbless grip. It was the last rep of my first work set. Honestly not sure what happened. One second I was benching the next I was thinking oh **** the bar isn't in my hands.
03-06-2012 , 09:10 PM
Wife is watching MTV'S True Life "I'm Addicted to Exercise." A dude on the show works out like 3x a day, which is already pretty awesome. But then he steps it up a notch and becomes a true bro's bro...he goes in and does an 8 hour arm workout after reading it in a magazine. Awesome.
03-06-2012 , 09:32 PM
That's really gotta bump up his gym cred when a TV crew comes in to watch you lift.
03-06-2012 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by anklebreaker
I wanna play.
03-06-2012 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by -C-P-
Wife is watching MTV'S True Life "I'm Addicted to Exercise." A dude on the show works out like 3x a day, which is already pretty awesome. But then he steps it up a notch and becomes a true bro's bro...he goes in and does an 8 hour arm workout after reading it in a magazine. Awesome.
If only we could match him up with John Broz....
03-06-2012 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale
I wanna play.
They'd have to get more powerful tazers imo. Kind of like when Shaq was in the NBA for a while they had to build different hoops so they didn't all break.

Also, I assume they require you to be in shape to play. So....I dno, may be kind of hard to get on a team.
03-07-2012 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
It's because it is designed to maximise the weight on the bar by taking advantage of ROM, leverage etc. There is nothing inherently wrong with it, but to me, just like raw powerlifts, conventional DL will always be significantly more awesome.
So what's your opinion on squatting with a super wide stance? It seems to me that gives a powerlifter a greater advantage than sumos would over conventional DLs.

If sumos are easier to pull more weight, then why are the only two (I'm only aware of two) guys who pulled > 1000 lbs doing conventional DLs and no one has done it sumo style?

fwiw, my PR conventional DL is 20 lbs > than my PR sumo. I do sumos primarily because of a hip issue that only rears its ugly head when I do heavy conventional DLs. They are easier on the low back too.
03-07-2012 , 12:36 AM
Here's a guy that I went to high school with doing some variation of westside. He's a pretty strong dude. Whoops.

http://youtu.be/oDS_Soxb98w
03-07-2012 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cha59
So what's your opinion on squatting with a super wide stance? It seems to me that gives a powerlifter a greater advantage than sumos would over conventional DLs.

If sumos are easier to pull more weight, then why are the only two (I'm only aware of two) guys who pulled > 1000 lbs doing conventional DLs and no one has done it sumo style?

fwiw, my PR conventional DL is 20 lbs > than my PR sumo. I do sumos primarily because of a hip issue that only rears its ugly head when I do heavy conventional DLs. They are easier on the low back too.
the squat stances you are alluding to are impossible to get into without using a monolift. that alone ruins the argument.

the two 1000+ deadlift guys don't sumo because they are too tough.
03-07-2012 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by saw7988
Has anyone tried or considered doing a chaos & pain type training routine? I found this article and assume it's pretty much what people are talking about when they say they are doing CnP for their training: http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/200...in-basics.html

I have a lot of respect for the guy (even though I think some of his principles in fitness/nutrition are a little... I dunno what the word is... but he's pretty adamant about keto for example), and I have a lot of respect and interest in the "just do what you can in the gym (which means more than you think you can)" type of training mentality and I think it'd vibe with me very well. Probably not for a cut, which I seems to always be on, but whatever.

Also, I'd love to be doing Bears and Super Bears in my training routine one day...

Thoughts?
I'm gradually increasing my work capacity, with the ultimate goal being daily squatting, snatching, and jerking, so C&P but with an Oly, pseudo-Bulgarian tilt. I say pseudo because I don't ever plan on training twice a day, I don't have the time for it. But I can do daily, and I think that the theories behind overtraining and supercompensation are not as well elucidated as Rippetoe et al would have one believe. Testing with sample size = 1
03-07-2012 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cobrastatus
I'm gradually increasing my work capacity, with the ultimate goal being daily squatting, snatching, and jerking, so C&P but with an Oly, pseudo-Bulgarian tilt. I say pseudo because I don't ever plan on training twice a day, I don't have the time for it. But I can do daily, and I think that the theories behind overtraining and supercompensation are not as well elucidated as Rippetoe et al would have one believe. Testing with sample size = 1
A couple people on here have done it (higher frequency training for olympic lifting). Forums moderator SmileyEH (RIP) had some success with it. Parlay Slow had a lot of success with it and I believe still trains this way, though I can't speak for him.
03-07-2012 , 09:07 AM
Meanwhile in Russia:


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03-07-2012 , 09:10 AM
It's fairly old, but I hadn't seen this one.

03-07-2012 , 09:30 AM
Best epic meal time I have seen
03-07-2012 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
They'd have to get more powerful tazers imo. Kind of like when Shaq was in the NBA for a while they had to build different hoops so they didn't all break.

Also, I assume they require you to be in shape to play. So....I dno, may be kind of hard to get on a team.
It appears they have them toned down a little bit anyway. I've been drive stunned several times, it hurts, but it's nothing too terrible.

I would add in some conditioning to play that.
03-07-2012 , 10:14 AM
Why have you been stunned several times?
03-07-2012 , 10:33 AM
Elite Highland Games training method.
03-07-2012 , 11:06 AM
Yea, about the CnP thing, I find it really interesting, and it's becoming much more accepted recently. There was a thread on the powerlifting forum on bb.com about how two years ago you would've been called a joke if you said you were training like that, but now it's somewhat common.

My lifts aren't amazing yet, I could probably benefit just as well with lower risk from a standard proven program like TM, 5/3/1, etc. for my next bulk, but eventually I'll definitely try it.
03-07-2012 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by milesdyson
the squat stances you are alluding to are impossible to get into without using a monolift. that alone ruins the argument.
ok


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Originally Posted by milesdyson
the two 1000+ deadlift guys don't sumo because they are too tough.
I'm sure they would both do sumos if they thought they could pull more weight that way.
03-07-2012 , 12:05 PM
Replied to a friend's FB post on the China Study and he deleted my and all dissenting responses. New policy: don't talk to vegans about anything ever. Maybe throw them or something, for a party trick.
03-07-2012 , 12:06 PM
If someone thinks the guys who pull 1000+ lbs can pull more sumo but wont do it for whatever reason then you need to seek medical help ASAP
03-07-2012 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
So what's your opinion on squatting with a super wide stance? It seems to me that gives a powerlifter a greater advantage than sumos would over conventional DLs.

If sumos are easier to pull more weight, then why are the only two (I'm only aware of two) guys who pulled > 1000 lbs doing conventional DLs and no one has done it sumo style?

fwiw, my PR conventional DL is 20 lbs > than my PR sumo. I do sumos primarily because of a hip issue that only rears its ugly head when I do heavy conventional DLs. They are easier on the low back too.
If they did it raw, pulling it out of a rack, no problem, but overall super wide squats are less impressive to me so it's the same.

It doesn't necessarily make it easier to pull more weight for everyone, but it does for certain people, all the while in a movement that is less impressive. Conventional is just way way more awesome.

      
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