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06-07-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Montecore
I think that was actually a pretty conservative reaction from JH, all things considered.
By "all things considered" you mean the quantity of synthetic testosterone hurling thru his veins?
06-07-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by allinontheturn
By "all things considered" you mean the quantity of synthetic testosterone hurling thru his veins?
his next IG post was a pic of a piss test, apparently the third "random" test he's had this off season. what percentage of NFL players do you guys think take some form of PED's?
06-07-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by beeschnuts
his next IG post was a pic of a piss test, apparently the third "random" test he's had this off season. what percentage of NFL players do you guys think take some form of PED's?
~98%

I'd hope it is 100%, but I'm sure there are some kickers that are the exception...
06-07-2017 , 01:50 PM
100%--even kicking has gotten more competitive.
06-07-2017 , 02:13 PM
Before the days of the linemen needing to be more athletic it was probably notably less - but ever since the days of the huge non-only fat linemen I'm sure it went up.
06-07-2017 , 03:15 PM
Off topic:

By any chance, is there a decently accurate life expectancy predictor that's not a scam? (What I actually need more is an estimator of the probabilities of reaching the age of X for various X like 40, 50, 65, etc.)

Last edited by coon74; 06-07-2017 at 03:23 PM.
06-07-2017 , 03:19 PM
I'm 100% confident in saying that it's 50/50.
06-07-2017 , 03:23 PM
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/as120...bles_Body.html

Just multiply life expectancy by like .5 if you're unlucky enough to be born somewhere outside of USA#1, like France or other parts of France, for example.
06-07-2017 , 03:28 PM
50% would be actually a lot.

The problem is that, if I have a non-negligible probability of not dying naturally before the age of 65, then I can't retire until I accumulate enough money to support myself until that age when the state pension kicks in.

And I'm talking not about the general life tables but about estimating the effects of the healthiness of the lifestyle.

I guess, a good way of such estimation is searching PubMed for data on the effects of specific diseases and treatments on the lifespan as compared to the general population, and then adding up the effects of the personally most probable diseases, as well as the effects of the easiest treatments available.

Last edited by coon74; 06-07-2017 at 03:37 PM.
06-07-2017 , 03:37 PM
treating life as a math equation probably =~ -20 years. So start there.
06-07-2017 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
50% would be actually a lot.

The problem is that, if I have a non-negligible probability of not dying naturally before the age of 65, then I can't retire until I accumulate enough money to support myself until that age when the state pension kicks in.

And I'm talking not about the general life tables but about estimating the effects of the healthiness of the lifestyle.
How old had been your grand grand parents and grand parents? Do you have any radical bad-habits like smoking or drinking russian style? Do you want to live long? How is about live out to the fullest your wildest dreams and then just see what is gonna happen, when you don't have any money?

On the serious note, I think that it is more interesting question, how many years of quality life you have. And for that healthy life style is big deal. I see how my grandma lives the last three years: diabetes, preventable cancer+ basically immobile. All three things were preventable with healthier life style.
06-07-2017 , 05:08 PM
Sorry to hear about your granny's troubles

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Originally Posted by lapka
How old had been your grand grand parents and grand parents?
3 of my grandparents lived past 83. One of my grand-grannies died at 100.

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Originally Posted by lapka
Do you have any radical bad-habits like smoking or drinking russian style?
I've never smoked, never done recreational drugs. I've been completely sober for 43 months; before that, I drank alcohol only very occasionally and, since 2005 or so, never heavier than 0.5 l of beer.

A sedentary lifestyle can be considered a bad habit, though.

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Originally Posted by lapka
Do you want to live long?
Not necessarily. My objective is to have as much lifetime net fun (fun minus suffering) as possible. To be clear, for idiosyncratic reasons, my definition of fun includes neither sex with other people nor reproduction.

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Originally Posted by lapka
How is about live out to the fullest your wildest dreams and then just see what is gonna happen, when you don't have any money?
I'm not sure if I'll be capable of committing suicide when I run out of money.

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06-07-2017 , 05:09 PM
Are we talking about dying? It's a pretty relevant topic right now.

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06-07-2017 , 05:20 PM
BB, problems with your dad?
06-07-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74

Not necessarily. My objective is to have as much lifetime net fun (fun minus suffering) as possible. To be clear, for idiosyncratic reasons, my definition of fun doesn't include sex with other people nor reproduction.

I'm not sure if I'll be capable of committing suicide when I run out of money.
I like you. I seriously like you, because we have often very similar thoughts on life.

You have to think about how much suffering would be life with zero money. (Hint: it is actually pretty ok. You can test it out. I had to test it out at one period in my life and it is really OK. ) And then somehow try to optimize your resources to maximize fun in your sense over life time.
06-07-2017 , 05:27 PM
Being completely sober actually lowers life expectancy. glhf dying early.
06-07-2017 , 05:32 PM
"These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who don't drink, even if they never had a problem with alcohol. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party."

Conclusion: Don't drink and have friends and be social for higher life expectancy.
06-07-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lapka
BB, problems with your dad?
He's dying. I'll probably post the whole experience in my blog. No condolences necessary, we've expected it for a long time. But it's a very surreal experience.

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06-07-2017 , 05:37 PM
Ya, if only there was a great deal of research on the mortality rates of drinking.

Aside from the fact that small amounts of drinking have shown greater health benefits. So putting down 10-20 drinks a week for a bro should be something one does in an effort to live longer, this asshattery about "not drinking" is simply wrong.

But why science? Lets all just make up a bunch of unfun **** to make life suck.
06-07-2017 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
He's dying. I'll probably post the whole experience in my blog. No condolences necessary, we've expected it for a long time. But it's a very surreal experience.

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Dying is difficult topic, especially because in today's society it is basically taboo. Everyone kind of doesn't know what to say and doesn't know what to do. I think on a regular basis about death and still feel overwhelmed when imagine my mom not existing any more.
06-07-2017 , 05:45 PM
Mihkel05, for the record, I'm sober simply because I can't stand the aroma of spirit. Red wine is about the only booze that I can stand.
06-07-2017 , 05:46 PM
I haven't read the actual study so don't shoot me:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUSKBN18X2Z7
06-07-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
Ya, if only there was a great deal of research on the mortality rates of drinking.

Aside from the fact that small amounts of drinking have shown greater health benefits. So putting down 10-20 drinks a week for a bro should be something one does in an effort to live longer, this asshattery about "not drinking" is simply wrong.

But why science? Lets all just make up a bunch of unfun **** to make life suck.
Your life suck without alc?

On the serious note and without any trolling:

I believe what stands in this piece of text that I quoted, namely that living longer with alc comes because for many people it is easier to function socially when drunk. If we remove this factor, alcohol is pretty much destructive for physical and mental health. So the optimal thing for all bros would be to have fun and be social in a sober state. And if you can't do that, then may be it makes sense to learn some skills for that.

And I did my fair share of drinking in the past, when I was very shy and uptight. I learned very fast that I can do everything I do drunk also sober. And if I don't have fun sober somewhere, why should I stay there? I leave. Meanwhile I drink may be a glass of champagne on new year or few birthdays and that's it.
06-07-2017 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lapka
I believe what stands in this piece of text that I quoted, namely that living longer with alc comes because for many people it is easier to function socially when drunk. If we remove this factor, alcohol is pretty much destructive for physical and mental health. So the optimal thing for all bros would be to have fun and be social in a sober state. And if you can't do that, then may be it makes sense to learn some skills for that.
That's the tragedy of living in an unhealthy social environment. If you conform to it, you'll lose. If you withdraw from it and live alone, you'll lose too. The only way out is finding a better environment.

Generally, the mankind seems to have been seeking self-destructive behaviors after all its natural enemies have been brought into submission. People would be much happier if they made a collective effort to be less competitive among each other and less cruel to each other. Alas the outdated mechanism of natural selection is preventing this.

Last edited by coon74; 06-07-2017 at 06:08 PM.
06-07-2017 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
I haven't read the actual study so don't shoot me:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUSKBN18X2Z7
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A unit is defined as 10 milliliters (ml) of pure alcohol. There are roughly two in a large beer, nine in a bottle of wine and one in a 25 ml spirit shot.
Welp

      
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