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Old 12-13-2009, 02:43 AM   #31
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

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you're sort of good morning some reps, at least the ones where form is breaking down. I would assume this to be the cause of your lower back pain.
This. You are leaning way too far forward coming out of your squat. You can try not putting the bar quite so low on your back. The farther down your back the bar is, the more you have to lean forward to keep the weight centered.

I think you already know this because you mentioned it. The dead lift video was too dark for me to see well for some reason, but certainly on your power cleans you are rounding your back. Also you might want to try and get more depth with your knees at the catch. It looks like you are pulling the bar a bit with your arms. You should not be reverse curling the bar.
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:26 AM   #32
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

can someone please explain what a "good morning" is when you squat? i'm thinking its when you lift your butt up coming out of the hole before your legs get involved.
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:46 AM   #33
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

Good Morning Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUpOZnhS4FI

So basically the legs are coming up while the back/torso is staying bent(so to speak) and you're leaning forward so you end up bent over like he is(when he's at the bottom) and trying to finish the rep by raising the weight by doing a version of a good morning using only your torso. This happens often when you end up with the weight on the balls of your feet and/or end up coming too forward and don't keep your knees at a solid position from the first third of the lift through the bottom and all the way back up.

I hope that makes sense.
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:40 AM   #34
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

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This. You are leaning way too far forward coming out of your squat. You can try not putting the bar quite so low on your back. The farther down your back the bar is, the more you have to lean forward to keep the weight centered.
back angle isn't the real concern. A low-bar back squat will have a steeper angle and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as your hips and shoulders rise at the same time. The problem is hips rising and the load not, and thus needing to finish the lift with your torso.
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:31 PM   #35
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

Yeah my shoes suck, I'm getting some for Christmas, so I have to just suck it up until then.

Alright, squats aside, I got a decent workout today. I've really been freakin' slackin, and I knew it would be hard to be consistent this month, but that's no reason to slack off when I can be workin out. I started off with 5 min on stationary bike+some dynamic stretching and warm up sets.

Squats:
225x random reps of really sucking at squats

Press
102.5x3x5

Power Cleans:
150x5x3

Kettle Bell Swings:
[16kg x 3 x 10]+[32kg x 1 x 10]


1 Dead hang Chin up
10 jumping chins + 10 push ups (x3)

Notes:
Squats: I really tried to keep my back tight but I could really just feel it go limp when I tried to get deep. I am considering doing a massive reset on squats just so I can get the form right, possibly all the way back down to 185 or so. We'll see. I attempted to do box squats, and I did them for my warm up sets and they went ok. The problem is, the only box I could find that worked was too long and when I unracked it only gave me about 2 inches to step back. It just made it weird and cramped. I successfully did 195 x2 but I had to stop because I kept hitting the pins that you rack the bar on.

Press: Hooray for 10" washers! I decided to do a reset on the press last time, and dropped all the way back down to 100 and will just micro load it from here on out. My goal is to get to 130 for my work set, 2.5 pounds at a time. I tried to do a little less payback than I was previously doing, I think I was successful in this.

Power Cleans: Meh, these felt super easy considering I am doing a reset and am at 10 less pounds than I was at last time. Having said that, I have no idea how my form is. Is my back to vertical? It looks straighter than it used to be, but maybe I need to be getting my back straighter and more horizontal. My shrug also looks pretty meh. Might start adding in some shrugs for assistance exercises.

KB Swings: I figured I should at least do some swings after sucking at squats so bad. No idea if I am doing these right, so I figured I would upload a form check to find out. They did feel a lot easier than last time I did them, 16kg was a piece of cake, and 32kg was a lot easier than I expected.

And to really punish my self for slackin I did a brief little jump chin/push up super set. I can finally (barely) do 1 dead hang, so I did that and then pumped out some jump chins and push ups. Sweet.

And enough is enough! I am tired of looking relatively fit and having this huge gut hanging out. I am officially going on a diet of hopefully ~2500 cal a day. No more fatties!
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:01 PM   #36
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

Hey Johnny swings were too high. Make sure the arms are like ropes in that they are passive. The momentum is derived from hip drive. Sit back and snap them through. When you sit back obv you should have you lower back extended.
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:55 AM   #37
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

Too high? Hmmm I'll have to go back and watch some videos and do some more research. I remember just thinking 'swing em high!'

And I forgot to do my post workout meal:




Hooray for dieting!
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:16 AM   #38
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Too high?

Anything above eyeline is fine as far as I can tell. If you want to swing the bell over your head who gives a ****. Just don't drop it on your face and die.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:52 AM   #39
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

as long as your arms aren't doing anything it doesn't matter. There might be some shoulder reasons not too but none that i'm aware of
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:50 AM   #40
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

pls to be doing your swings with more of a russian influence and less of a pussy crossfit influence.

they look pretty good though(feet could be a little wider but you're still within the realm of a proper stance, make sure to really dig in with your heels, barefoot is better than running shoes if you have a comfortable nonslippery surface to stand on), if the bell feels light swing it to a little above shoulder height and try to actively push it back down, you'll get more reps in a shorter amount of time and the bell will feel heavier to your body eliciting strength gains that you wouldn't have normally gotten from the bell
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:07 PM   #41
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kpc, I read some crossfit blog where they were saying the "American" swing had more crossover to olympic lifts or some bull****, whereas the "Russian" swing was too horizontal in nature.
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

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kpc, I read some crossfit blog where they were saying the "American" swing had more crossover to olympic lifts or some bull****, whereas the "Russian" swing was too horizontal in nature.
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:25 PM   #43
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It did indeed bring the luls.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:35 PM   #44
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Wow 10 days without working out. Wayyyy too long. My reasons (excuses) for this are I was super busy (christmas+birthday), I have been sick, and I just have been generally lame/slacking. Anyway, I got my Do wins (hooray!) and my belt (hooray!) and I got a chance to use them today. Lol@ squatting 225 w/ a belt but whatever I was anxious to use it because I've never used a belt before.

So today for my work sets I did:

Squat: 225x3x5

Notes: I know, I know. Lol@belt@225. But, I haven't squatted in 10 days, and I wanted to get right back to 225. ALSO, I think it helped my form A TON. My first rep of the first set was shallow, as was the last rep of the last set. But I think I successfully rid myself of my lower back slacking really bad at the bottom of the rep. It felt really heavy and I'll probably ditch the belt, but I'm not sure yet. And, I don't have any lower back agitation that I was getting which I'm pretty sure was from my lower back rounding at the bottom of each rep. I think my form might be getting better (crosses fingers.)

DB Bench: 55x5/4/4

Notes: Lol fail twice. It looks like I had the very last rep but it just wouldn't go up. It looks like I am using zero leg drive, and I must not be. It sure felt like I was though. The problem on the last rep of the second set was that I brought the DBs too far away from my body on the way down and that was the end of it. Sigh. I will be purchasing a bench very soon, hopefully by the next time I bench. I am looking forward to getting back into actual bench pressing.

DL 365x1

Notes: As the guys pointed out in the Whiteboard thread, I didn't get to full lockout which annoyed me when I replayed it and watched it. I never have a had a problem locking out on DL, and I am going to go into denial and say that I actually had it for .01 seconds. It's amazing to me that I can miss 10 days working out and beat my last DL PR by 20 pounds. Must have to do with the super long recovery times on DL. Anyway, I think I'll be doing rack pull next time, and hold off on full DLs for a couple workouts.

And I did double 16kgx10 clean and jerks (Not sure that's the right term) with kettlebells. Actually pretty tough on the last few reps.

I forgot to do chins today. Bleh.

And YAY! I ordered my squat rack and it'll be here in the next couple weeks. Hoooooray!!!!

And now I am going to go get down on a bunch of pizza. Omononomomon.
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:48 AM   #45
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Re: Johnnyfondue's SS Log Part 2: Workin' Harder

You are getting no stretch reflex out of the bottom of your DB bench. Take a big breath, press, exhale, inhale, lower, then press them out of the bottom quickly. Breathe at the top.

Using the stretch shortening cycle is not cheating.
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