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Not that I really care and would gladly like to see your heaviest **** on the whiteboard, but I do think it makes sense to keep things as standardized as possible in terms of equipment used in the lifts.

The fact in itself that you've expressed you can do a lot more weight with the fat bar than with the normal bar already seems like enough reason to not allow it. That is to say, we are competing with each other for the traditional press, with a traditional bar.

But if it does get allowed, all the better for you!

Just my two cents.

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04-25-2017 , 09:34 PM

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Aidan

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Yeah, barbell is necessary

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04-25-2017 , 09:47 PM

#3353

loco

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I don't see how he would be able to do more with a fatbar. Fatbars usually make lifts harder but in the case of a lift that uses very little forearms (the press), there should be no difference.

Film it so we can see another fake lift at work.

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04-25-2017 , 10:10 PM

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loco

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Okay, I saw your presses. They legit.

But no difference between fatbar and skinnybar. You got one extra rep on fatbar but that was like a week later and you were using plenty of chest to get them up (Evoken style).

I think you hit 190 tops on either bar, still good enough for the board. Take the spot, who you knocking out? KidColin? lol, DNEL.

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04-25-2017 , 10:31 PM

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Holliday

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Originally Posted by loco

I am also not sure *why* it's easier. Maybe similar to a suicide grip? Idk. I'll probably keep using the fat bar on the theory that more weight should carry over. The strongmen say it's also easier for bench press, btw.

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04-25-2017 , 10:35 PM

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Holliday

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Originally Posted by Aidan

Yeah, barbell is necessary

I can see that.

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04-25-2017 , 10:41 PM

#3357

loco

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I know someone who knows the answer to this.

Paging "lol tinybros, I am 6'3" 260 8% bodyfat"

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04-25-2017 , 11:06 PM

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abrahamovic

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Are you just assuming the bar is the same weight? A lot of those axle bars are only 30 lbs

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04-25-2017 , 11:16 PM

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Holliday

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Originally Posted by abrahamovic

Are you just assuming the bar is the same weight? A lot of those axle bars are only 30 lbs

90 pound bar. They've weighed it at the gym, and it's a ***** to carry across the room.

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04-26-2017 , 08:55 AM

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Gorilla4Sale

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I wish I was 6'3"... (or 8%...)

For OHP I've never noticed much difference with bar diameter. Comfort = better lifting imo.

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04-27-2017 , 08:36 AM

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ActionJeff

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I think we should change the rules on pullups. I just watched Busto's 26 rep video and he starts dead hanging and resting partway into the set. Pullups should be done continuously. Dead hang resting makes the exercise too much about grip endurance, rather than pulling up as many times as possible in a row.

Also, reaching with your chin isn't completing a rep. The bar should come pretty close to touching your neck/chest at the top to be fully locked out

Finally, chinups and pullups are very different and shouldn't be in the same category, or we should decide on one vs. the other.

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04-27-2017 , 09:35 AM

#3362

Syndr0m

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Considering the fact the pullup list isn't even filled up after all these years I don't think we need to change anything about it.

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04-27-2017 , 09:52 AM

#3363

loco

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Yeah man, that's funny. This guy is nitpicking realbusto?!!

Realb has the best pull-ups around here, my god what would he say about halfslant/Aidan/yugo chins.

You come at the the king, you best not miss actionjeff. Stop yapping and whining and let's see some pull-ups.

All hail realb.

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04-27-2017 , 10:26 AM

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downtown

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Originally Posted by ActionJeff

pullup crew is back

and this time they are realllll srs

about submissions from 2013... wait. No. Probably 2012.

Relax fam the pullup crew is chill in their approach to reviewing submissions and will get around to it when they can. Maybe 5-6 years, maybe never. They call u.

How about a 1-armed pullup cat? How about no arms? How about that?

The pullup crew has some ideas and they are gonna write them.

k?

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04-27-2017 , 10:33 AM

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ActionJeff

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Dead hanging between reps doesn't count, period. Do either of the above two posters even do pullups? Gonna guess "no"

I'll put up a submission next week, if we're doing chins and dead hanging... which once again is total BS

I wasn't saying Busto was reaching, that was the #2 submission. I'm saying Busto cheated and his set doesn't count. I think I saw 15-16 there before he started resting?

BRB, gonna go DL a set of 5 over the next 5 minutes

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04-27-2017 , 10:38 AM

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Gorilla4Sale

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Originally Posted by ActionJeff

BRB, gonna go DL a set of 5 over the next 5 minutes

If you didn't let go of the bar, I'd count that all day.

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04-27-2017 , 10:39 AM

#3367

Mr.mmmKay

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This is why only the 1rm really matters in anything lifting

Last edited by Mr.mmmKay; 04-27-2017 at 10:46 AM.

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04-27-2017 , 10:42 AM

#3368

loco

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i have 17 on video in my log and did 19 a couple of months back. I won't post anything in whiteboard; if my 280 bench at 169 can't make it, then there is no point. Or my bodyweight press. Sick of fat people.

Can't wait to see real pull-ups.

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04-27-2017 , 04:37 PM

#3369

BustoRhymes

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Lol at comparing a dead hang pull up to an interval laden sequence of deadlift reps

There was a time when I insisted on doing all pull and chin up reps from dead hang. Much harder.

What else will we change now? Paused bench reps are cheating? Paused squats give too much recoveryin the hole?

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04-27-2017 , 04:51 PM

#3370

downtown

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Originally Posted by BustoRhymes

Does this poster even do pullups? Gonna guess "no"

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04-27-2017 , 05:02 PM

#3371

BustoRhymes

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I did some a few weeks ago, enough to keep my membership card

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04-28-2017 , 12:30 AM

#3372

Renton555

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Seems like a curvilinear relationship between deadhangness and pullup difficulty. I.e. if you wait the minimum length of time that constitutes a dead hang, then it's obviously harder than if you'd used a bounce, but you didn't hang long enough to get significant rest.

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04-28-2017 , 09:35 PM

#3373

Holliday

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OK, here is OHP of 185:

I failed on 190, and then switched to fat bar without much rest and made it, then 195, btw. Pretty sure I wasn't going to make 200 after that. This hereby settles the matter of the fat bar being easier forever in my mind.

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04-28-2017 , 09:36 PM

#3374

Montecore

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Gotta flip those plates around, son. You're letting all the power leak out with them facing out like that.

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04-28-2017 , 09:41 PM

#3375

loco

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I still don't believe it, especially without video and weighing of both bars.

My wild guess is the fat bar weighs 10 pounds less than you think.

Also, good job making the whiteboard. 60 pounds to go to reach your OHP goal for the year. Good luck.

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