There was this kid who went to our gym, tiny as hell, maybe 13-14. I considered advising him a year ago when he was doing painful 1/4 squats, but I've never tried to help anyone at the gym so I didn't bother.

A year later, he still does the same **** and is about the same size, except now he wears a wife beater and flexes his biceps in the mirror between sets.

He'll grow to be a good bro some day.

I think that's pretty douchey...

i choose not to do behind the neck stuff but imo they aren't nearly dangerous enough to justify going out of your way to tell some guy not to do them. yeah there are some warnings against them on the internet, but how many people have actually injured themselves?

you have to be really sure of yourself for unsolicited gym advice to ever not be douchey. people dont want to feel like their workouts are being judged. I know I'm like that, I've been given advice twice in gyms... and both times it came from guys much weaker and less experienced than me!

a fat guy was telling me to go lighter on bb rows and use less momentum... go **** yourself fat guy, yeah you read that on the internet but ive been lifting for years and doing pretty good for myself.

and a skinny guy was telling me to use a more complete ROM on my lat pulldowns... go **** yourself skinny guy, i do use complete ROM 90% of the time and dont feel like explaining myself if you catch me during the other 10% of the time.

mind your own business, guys

if you think some guy is using too short of a ROM or whatever... does it really matter to you? theres a 1% chance your advice will be appreciated, so just think about your own workout

Yeah I only give out unsolicited advice when people are being legitimately dangerous with a lot of weight, like 1/4 squatting "heavy" without safety bars or doing really round back deadlifts.

IMO behind neck pulldowns are a sick exercise if you've got the right amount of flexibility and are willing to do them light.

fishdonkey, whilst i agree those guys should have stfu, you seem to have anger issues. also lat pulldowns are a dumb beat of an exercise.

the reason those guys are so annoying is their condescending attitude when giving unsolicited advice. they don't sound like they're just being nice and trying to help. they sound like they're criticizing, and trying to make themselves feel better about lifting so much lighter.

oh yeah i forgot a third incident, but it wasn't nearly as offensive. i was doing dumbbell seated presses and an old guy next to me was doing the same exercise with maybe 15 pound DBs, going all the way down (to the point where the DBs are at the same level as the shoulders). he told me i should do it like him because it was a good back workout (while pointing to his lats). i said thanks but im not trying to have a back workout. thankfully he left it at that

I was doing pull-throughs* and this dude was watching me. After I'm done he says, "Damn those look good, I should start doing them. They work the triceps right?"

* http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/en...ould-be-doing/

Is there a major difference between pull-throughs and kettlebell swings? They look pretty similar to me.

Triceps, lol.

You're doing one or both exercises wrong if they look similar.

Well, I mean they both seem to work on hip strength. Obviously KB swings go above the head, but it seems like neither of these exercises should really involve much arm strength.

KS Swings don't go above the head. Its a variant that I think is pointless and decidedly more dangerous.

Either way, you should look at your form on both.

Fine, to be more accurate the KB swings to eye level. Anyway, anyone want to answer the original question? Do these exercises essentially target the same muscle groups?

american kettlebell swings go over the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3wD6gM6Ahc

Been drinking too often. Still can't 5x5 pullups without sick kip. So ****ing weak.

My gym has two cable stations attached by some monkey-bar looking beam. There is probably the classic 8-10 feet inbetween the two stations. Two kids that I have never seen at the gym before starting having a chicken fight hanging on this beam. A MOTHER ****ING CHICKEN FIGHT.

...and I thought I have seen everything in a gym.

I know. I think they're a retarded variant that takes the emphasis from where the exercise is originally intended and moves it to another part of your body. If I wanted to do that I'd just buy a LifeCycle and be done with it.