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Originally Posted by istewart
I think AZK's experiment seems fine but I disagree with his hypothesis a lot. Based on my own experience, going from nothing to whey PWO was a big jump, as was going from whey to Surge. Also look around your gym. Everyone is doing the wrong exercises and the wrong reps, sure, but you can also guess who is and isn't eating "correctly" PWO.
I'd have to think everyone on T-nation is downing Surge or some type of sugar/protein immediately PWO if not pre, peri, and post, and while everyone on T-nation is not an adonis, there are some great bodies on there that live and die by solid PWO nutrition. Obviously something like Surge is a little more expensive than homemade, so it's not like Biotest is completely for the consumer, but the difference between chocolate milk (which lots of people have) and Surge isn't that great.
If you're fat and your gains are stagnant, it certainly isn't because of something like Surge (IMO).
It isn't so much that its unnecessary, it is just poorly administered by most people. A lot of research shows no need for slamming large quantities of protein/carbs post workout...especially when you've had proper pre/peri nutrition. I didn't say it was worthless...merely that it is highly overrated in terms of what it is going to do for you. A good solid meal an hour afterwards will probably do more than your post-workout drink.
Most people probably take in way more fast acting carbs and way more protein post-workout than would ever be necessary.
As for the last point (about Surge and fat)...if you are trying to lose fat, you could certainly do without slamming large quantities of Surge. The need for a bevy of fast acting carbs post-workout is largely a myth.
