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Old 08-05-2010, 01:56 AM   #76
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....I am starting to think overhead pressing is bothering my left shoulder. The left one felt worn out after Sunday's workout, and it was bothering me enough after this one that I iced it afterwards. It feels fine now, but the feeling in it is troubling.

The reason I dont think the heavy benching is bothering it is because it feels fine during that lift, and whenever I get close to failure on the bench, its my right side that's weaker. The right one is the one that had surgery.

I dunno - any thoughts? Should I scrap all overhead lifting for a while (I have done little to none the past 6 months)? or should I lighten the weights on the overhead press significantly, say to something I can easily do 12+ reps, but only do 10 reps with it?
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Next workout, I'm probably going to skip overhead pressing, do a slightly higher incline on the dumbell bench press, and add in close grip bench presses and tricep pushdowns. That is, unless someone convinces me that's not a good idea. Why fight this overhead pressing **** when the benching is going so well, imo.

I want to bench 300+ and keep my shoulders healthy. I'm pretty close now (the 1 RM calculator says 291 now) and I'm sure I can do 300 relatively soon if I add in more tricep stuff and keep doing most of the other stuff I've been doing.
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Old 08-05-2010, 03:30 AM   #77
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Obviously injuries can differ, but from what I've read (casually, since I personally don't care) shoulder injuries usually means bigger problems benching than OH pressing? Note: opinion to be totally ignored since I'm clueless.

Anyway, I'd consider asking on Rip's forum. The one thing he's particularly good at answering are injury questions imo, as long as you give a good description/don't come off as an idiot. What does your guy say?
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:24 AM   #78
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Obviously injuries can differ, but from what I've read (casually, since I personally don't care) shoulder injuries usually means bigger problems benching than OH pressing? Note: opinion to be totally ignored since I'm clueless.

Anyway, I'd consider asking on Rip's forum. The one thing he's particularly good at answering are injury questions imo, as long as you give a good description/don't come off as an idiot. What does your guy say?
I'm not currently using his services (expensive), but I might pick it back up again.

He had me doing no flat bench barbell pressing for ~4 months, then added in bench presses. Leading up to that, he had me doing flat dumbell pressing, then some low inclines, then medium inclines. It looked to me like I was progressing towards overhead stuff, so that's what I've done the past few weeks.

Its not what I'd call an injury. I've had plenty of those and am quite familiar with what it feels like when I'm damaging myself. This is more of an uncomfortable feeling, that I think could lead to something bad if I'm not careful.

I'm pretty sure this has to do with the overhead pressing.

I am going to discuss it with my chiro when I see him next week. I'm betting that he'll say to stop the overhead pressing and after one treatment from him it'll probably be gone. Really, the feeling of discomfort is pretty much gone right now. I am being cautious.
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Old 08-07-2010, 12:00 AM   #79
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8/6

squat
315*3, 335*3, 345*3
Kept the weights the same because of lolbad form last time. This time was much better.

RDL
335*5, 355*5, 375*5 (+20)
RDLs without a belt are the greatest exercise ever imo.

DB step ups
65*6, 75*6, 85*6 (+5)

pull throughs
125*10, 170*10, 200*10
These are ridiculously easy right now.

KB swings
44*8*2, 62*8*2, 70*8*3, 80*8*3

flye EQI - 120s
lat EQI - 70s

MB slams
15*10

My low back is feeling really good and strong right now. I think it is not a coincidence that I stopped using a belt for DLs and RDLs recently, and the low back is getting stronger and more stable. The KB swings are even seeming easier.

Belted heavy squats are still the way to go imo.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:53 PM   #80
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8/9

DL
405*3, 425*3, 445*1 (+10 from heaviest, but didnt get all my reps)/wanted 3 reps out of that last set, but its the most weight I've deadlifted in over a decade, so I guess its ok.

chins (neutral grip)
8, 7, 5

rack pulls
315*5, 365*5, 385*5 (+10)

barbell rows
185*5, 205*5*2

blast strap rows (new exercise added)
8, 8
I like em so far.

face pulls
75*12*2

pec EQI - 12 lbs (+2) 70s
lat EQI - 12 lbs (+2) 60s
The added weight didnt really affect the time much. I probably could have added weight to this a while ago. Going to stick with 12 for a little while.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:25 PM   #81
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Made a few additions to the weight room.





Two sweet new dumbell racks which can also hold kettlebells, a pair of 95 lb dumbells, two additional olympic plate trees (total of 3 now), about 500+ lbs of additional olympic plates (total of ~1200 now), two additional 7' olympic bars and an olympic curl bar that I might use someday, and some blast straps.

I am in love with the new DB racks. They are the tray style, so when you put a DB on the rack you dont have to worry about smashing a finger on the "L" frame thingy that held them up with my old racks. Each shelf can hold ~600 lbs. Holding the KBs is nice too.

I need dumbell pairs of 35s 45s & 55s for a full set from 5 - 95.

Gotta love Craig's list and used exercise equipment stores

For the guy in the **** thread who questioned whether the beer fridge is really mine, there it is above the dumbell rack and way behind the framed walls in the 4th picture

Between adding an exercise to my back workout Monday (that made me sorer than expected) and moving all this stuff today, my body is telling me not to work out today. Will try tomorrow.
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Old 08-12-2010, 12:13 AM   #82
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Old 08-12-2010, 04:13 AM   #83
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Mother****!!!

Are you kidding me?
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Old 08-12-2010, 10:52 PM   #84
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8/12

I love the new DB racks!

bench
245*3, 265*3, 275*3
I went into this hoping to get 4 reps at 275, but there would have been no way. It was very slightly easier than last week, but I doubt I would have got #4 off my chest, let alone do another full rep, so I think not attempting it was wise.

No overhead stuff for a while, if ever again. My chiro says I have an impingement in my left shoulder when I do overhead stuff. I questioned that because it feels a lot different than the impingement I had in my right shoulder prior to surgery. He says its a different type of impingement than that one.


low incline DB press (going to keep the incline low for now)
75*8, 85*6

close grip bench press
135*8*2, 155*8

DB curls
40*6, 50*6*2
supersetted with tricep rope pressdowns
75*10, 95*8, 105*8
pumped up teh gunz

tall kneeling cable lift - 20 lbs * 10, 25lbs * 10 * 2

pnfd2 - 20 lbs, 10, 25 lbs * 10

blast strap ab fallouts (handles 1" above floor, feet on top of 12.5" box) 10*3

flye EQI - 12 lbs 50s
lat EQI - 12 lbs 40s

Shoulders feel very good right now. This seems like a pretty decent arm/chest/core workout. I plan on doing something similar to this for a while.
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Old 08-13-2010, 12:55 AM   #85
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Siiick gym
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Old 08-13-2010, 02:27 AM   #86
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when i get that much equipment i'm opening my own gym lol
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Old 08-13-2010, 10:58 AM   #87
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Thanks for all the comments

I learned something new today - PSA:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drryan13.htm

Anyone reading this with tendon issues should know this!
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:22 AM   #88
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Very, very interesting.

In my specific case, rest, RICE, and NSAID seems to have helped a lot and indicate an inflamed tendon. I feel like I healed in the 14 day time frame.

I'm not necessarily sold that tendonitis is as rare as the article claims based on some of the research I've read. I haven't been able to read the only real primary source he used because the link is broken.

That said, it's very eye opening stuff should an injury progress or continue. It makes sense that tendons in other situations should respond to making them stronger and stimulating them rather than going NSAID & RICE crazy and letting it get weaker.
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I don't have time to read it all right now, but this line made me extremely skeptical:

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Yes, because not only are you causing more injury to the injured tendon, the fact is that over 16,000 people die every year from taking Advil, Aleve, Nuprin, Aspirin, etc.
Ehm...lol alarmism.
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I don't have time to read it all right now, but this line made me extremely skeptical:

Ehm...lol alarmism.
ya me too and he's citing basically 1 primary. i have no doubt that a lot of injuries are tendonosis from some people I know at the gym, but it would be silly to advise NOT to RICE, NSAID, rest of lifting when you first encounter a tendon injury. After a long time with no recovery obviously you should consider your options
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Old 08-13-2010, 03:52 PM   #91
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You're right - lol alarmism.

I read some stuff this morning by Mike Robertson that talked a bit about tendonosis being different than tendonitis, and it didnt go into much depth, so I googled tendonosis & the BB.com link had a lot of info about it.

The thing I do like about that particular article is Table #1, which clearly shows a lot of differences between osis & itis.

The alarmism makes me want to find some more info about it, rather than put full trust into this article.

The thing is though, there is clearly a difference between the two, and they should definitely be treated differently.
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I read it now, will definitely save the link for the inevitable injuries. Like you guys said it's good to be aware of the differences regardless of the quality of the article.
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That gym looks sick. Almost makes me want to move to the burbs.
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wtf that is your home gym?
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You can clearly have lingering tendinits over the short term and I think some of his chart items aren't difinitive.
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You can clearly have lingering tendinits over the short term and I think some of his chart items aren't difinitive.
Did you happen to find any good links with better and/or more info on it? I looked around at a little more stuff about it and dint find a lot. I did find out that a lot of doctors have been mis-diagnosing tendonosis as tendonitis and a lot of the info regarding treating tendonosis is fairly new.
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That gym Is BADASS.

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Old 08-16-2010, 11:19 AM   #98
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Did you happen to find any good links with better and/or more info on it? I looked around at a little more stuff about it and dint find a lot. I did find out that a lot of doctors have been mis-diagnosing tendonosis as tendonitis and a lot of the info regarding treating tendonosis is fairly new.
No, but I'll keep looking. Didn't find much like you said.

I benched Friday and installed a ceiling fan Saturday and the distal bicep tendon flared up on me yesterday(Sunday). NSAIDs and RICE help a ton(no pain today), so it would lean me to believe it's more of a lingering tendonitis. Also, it never responded well to even light training prior to the rest but did respond well to the 2 week rest period. Stretching and rolling have also helped. I haven't had any issues with getting drastically weaker in the tendon either.
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Have you seen any difinitive research on nsaids and rice and the post workout affect on muscle growth? Seems like a lot of contradictory stuff out there. I don't want to rice and nsaid to death if its actually hurting strength increases. Flared up on me today, but I'm going to be taking a few workouts off anyway.
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:36 AM   #100
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If rest, ice and nsaids seem like they're helping, they probably are. I dont think either has much of an affect on muscle growth. I certainly used a lot of nsaids while growing significant muscle in the past, but I dont have any evidence beyond my personal experience.

The biggest negatives with taking lots of nsaids over long periods of time are the damage they will cause to your stomach (I know this for sure) and your kidneys (I think).

There shouldn't be any negatives with ice that I'm aware of. Just don't try to exercise right after icing.

I'm think I've probably got tendonosis in a lot of places. I probably have/had tendonitis as well. I think my right bicep tendon has tendonosis, and probably both shoulders. I think lifting has helped.
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