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06-12-2012, 08:59 AM
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#1756
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Re: cha59's log
How often do you roll your forearms?
Seems like SSB squats would really move your LBBS so it may not be a huge problem. I agree it seems pretty weird you're feeling them on a back squat and not on benching...
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06-12-2012, 09:44 AM
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#1757
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: cha59's log
Man, you gotta be the unluckiest sonomabitch ever with regards to injuries. Way to lose the genetic lottery (on that front at least)
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06-12-2012, 10:19 AM
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#1758
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Re: cha59's log
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
How often do you roll your forearms?
Seems like SSB squats would really move your LBBS so it may not be a huge problem. I agree it seems pretty weird you're feeling them on a back squat and not on benching...
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I spend a lot of time with the DMS on my forearms. That helped my bowling tremendously. This is a weird thing though - most of the pain and tightness this time is in the upper part of that muscle, above the elbow, kind of on the side of the upper arm. The lower part of the muscle is soft - that part was jacked up for a while during the past couple months, but not as bad as this got last night. It feels a lot better this morning, so I'm going to try DMS-ing that today. Last night it hurt too much to do that. I think the Biofreeze helped.
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Man, you gotta be the unluckiest sonomabitch ever with regards to injuries. Way to lose the genetic lottery (on that front at least) 
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yeah, I think age has something to do with it, but even when I was younger I had a lot of muscle issues. At least I got good enough genes to get as strong as I am, and I can get stronger. This doesn't feel like an injury - it just feels sore. I hope its not related to a nerve in my neck or upper back.
As long as I'm talking about hurting - I went to Dr K yesterday and didnt even mention the brachioradialis thing because it hadnt been an issue except for the little flare up during that last squat at the meet. I thought that was over. He did a lot of stuff to my right foot, calf, both hips, back, neck and shoulders though. The neck feels ~75% better than it did before going.
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06-12-2012, 10:23 AM
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#1759
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Re: cha59's log
What's the biofreeze?
When you DMS a bunch, do you also do some lacrosse ball work? Obv I don't have DMS but I'd imagine that in conjunction it might work even better since the lacrosse ball allows you to do mini-ART.
 on your neck progressing...but yeah, if it's not one thing it's something else, lol.
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06-12-2012, 10:31 AM
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#1760
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Re: cha59's log
http://www.biofreeze.com/
I do some ball work too, and some Gua Sha (poor man's Graston) work once in a while (that might be appropriate this time), and some manual work with my hands.... I'll use whatever I think might work to loosen stuff up.
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06-12-2012, 10:46 AM
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Re: cha59's log
Does biofreeze help with swelling or anything except pain?
Man, seems your forearms are getting the royal treatment. I think there's a good chance it clears up in a week or two and you may be able to consistently LBBS for the rest of your program.
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06-12-2012, 03:12 PM
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#1762
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Re: cha59's log
I dont know exactly what Biofreeze does - I think some of it is just pain relief and there's something in there that's supposed to help healing or circulation or something.
The more I think about this, the more I think its associated with my neck - probably the C6 nerve. http://www.painneck.com/cervical-nerves
The sixth cervical nerve shares a common branch from C5 and can, like any nerve become dysfunctional due to trauma, tumors, and degradation causing problems with muscle atrophy and tendinitis. C6 is involved in the innervation of a number of muscles in the rotator cuff and distal arm including the :
Subclavius
Supraspinatus
Infraspinatus
Biceps Brachii
Brachialis
Deltoid
Teres Minor
Brachioradialis
Serratus Anterior
Subscapularis
Pectoralis Major
Coracobrachialis
Teres Major
Supinator
Extensor Carpi Radialis Brevis
Extensor Carpi Radialis Longus
Latissimus Dorsi
That would not be good.
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06-13-2012, 04:27 PM
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adept
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Re: cha59's log
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Originally Posted by cobrastatus
the reason why I asked about equipped/raw is cause I think Westside methods work very very well... for equipped federations. That's why you don't see many if any westside guys lighting up the record books in raw federations. Chains/bands/etc work really well for learning how to use your gear and hit that sweet spot, I don't think they work as well for raw lifters. I think if you want to be a beast raw lifter, you should lift like the best raw lifters, people like Konstantinovs, Jamie Lewis, etc.
my whole 2 cents
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Right, but that's because those guys choose special exercises specifically because they are equipped. if you are raw, you are gonna box squat way less often, and use bands/chains way less often. It's all about figuring out the exercises that are most beneficial for you and knowing what your weaknesses are. Due to leverages, a raw squat is going to be heaviest at the bottom, so it's going to be pretty rare that squatting with a bunch of bands is going to be that useful.
Hopefully that makes some sense
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06-13-2012, 05:15 PM
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Re: cha59's log
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Originally Posted by kungfuhustler
Right, but that's because those guys choose special exercises specifically because they are equipped. if you are raw, you are gonna box squat way less often, and use bands/chains way less often. It's all about figuring out the exercises that are most beneficial for you and knowing what your weaknesses are. Due to leverages, a raw squat is going to be heaviest at the bottom, so it's going to be pretty rare that squatting with a bunch of bands is going to be that useful.
Hopefully that makes some sense
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What you say would seem to make sense, but a couple things dont add up.
- As I mentioned in a previous post, I looked at what Konstantinovs is doing. He does a lot of work with bands, chains and box squats. Maybe not as much as Westside geared type guys, but it does appear to be a significant part of his training.
- If the hardest part of a squat is getting out of the hole, please explain this to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fjh...0&feature=plcp
I got halfway up and stopped. It sure seems like chain and/or band squatting would help with getting stuck there.
The place I used to get stuck on DLs was just below the knees. Since I've been doing lots of chain work, I don't get stuck when I get the weight off the floor - it flies up. Because of the lower stress chain DLing puts on my low back, I will never stop doing that as long as I DL - it wont be 100% of my DLing work sets, but 75% seems good for me, regardless of whether I ever lift geared or not, because of my low back issue.
I've been looking at one federation that is having a meet here next month - they do benching & DLing only, and they do not have a raw division. I'm considering trying their single ply division (you can do that raw or 1 ply equipment, but it all counts as 1 ply), but being only a month out, I think there's little chance I'll do that meet. The appeal of that to me is there's a good chance back squats could be messing with my neck, so eliminating them might be wise. DLing seems to make my neck feel good. I'm going to try ssb squats tonight & see what happens.
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06-14-2012, 04:09 AM
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old hand
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Re: cha59's log
Where a lift "should" be heaviest and where it actually IS heaviest is obviously different for everyone.
If your sticking points are relative to the effect of bands/chains you use them regardless of raw V equipped or whatever.
In addition to that, equipped or not, bands and chains teach you to drive from the hole with enough force to make the lift as the weight increases on the way up. Good carry over regardless.
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06-14-2012, 04:12 AM
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old hand
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Re: cha59's log
Also watching the video, is a perfect example of where chains & bands will help.
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06-14-2012, 08:45 AM
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Re: cha59's log
Thanks KRS
6/13
ssb squats
80x8x2, 140x5, 180x3, 230x3, 260x3x6
DL
145x5, 235x5, 310x3,
added 4 chains
310x1x6
very ez
Arms (brachioradialis - both L & R) were getting a little sore at that point, but not nearly as bad as Monday.
reverse hypers - single leg
90x12x2
band pulls from elbow
15x4
walked with 45 lbs of ankle weights
3.0 mph, 10:00
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06-16-2012, 12:24 AM
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#1768
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Re: cha59's log
6/15
I can feel the affects of doing the treadmill walking with 22.5 lbs of ankle weights on each leg the other day - my outer, lower hamstring muscles have some DOMS, & its definitely from that. Its not bad though.
Weighed my ssb - its 80.8 lbs, 0.8 lbs more than my estimate. Close enough.
smr & mobility
ssb squats
up to 260x2x6
ez - this squatting 3 times a week for less than hard reps & sets looks like a good idea for me. I know its going to get harder, but I think I'm ready for it. I hope I can start working in some back squatting at some point, but I'm definitely not ready yet.
reverse hypers - two legs (harder than one at a time)
90x12x2
I was able to get back to normal on these without wrecking my brachioradialises.
standing 1 arm cable rows (very light to protect arms)
55x12, 20, 20 (almost swole)
standing chin tucks
10
(neck stretch)
DE bench
up to 170 + 4 chains x 5 x 5
trap bar DL
260x5, 350x5, 400x5x2
Arms not 100%, but they're getting better. Neck not 100% either, but its not killing me or anything.
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06-19-2012, 01:03 AM
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#1769
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Re: cha59's log
6/18
ssb squats
up to 260x4x6
Note: The back/outside part of my right knee was feeling kind of tight & sore at the bottom of my first several warm sets. My calf and hamstring on that side have some adhesions, so I worked on those and got them loose, but the knee issue didnt go away completely. Then I did some heavy work on my right butt cheek - I found a huge knot deep inside there. I got that broken up pretty well and my knee didnt bother me for any of the heavier sets.
reverse band bench press (paused)
up to 345x4 (wanted at least 3, so 4 is good)
275x5 - ez
I wore my squat shoes today because I just didnt think about changing them. I think I like them for benching.
reverse hypers
90x12x2
1 arm cable rows
55x15, 75x15, 95x15, 115x10, 125x10x3
Both arms felt pretty good. This is still a long ways from what I can do (I've done 200 for 6 or so reps before), but it felt good to pull something that I could actually feel in my back without making my brachioradialis muscles scream.
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06-19-2012, 01:28 AM
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#1770
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veteran
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Re: cha59's log
one arm cable rows sound fun.. gotta try em
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