of course, it starts mental and becomes physical.

Our thoughts becime our reality and our body reacts to that, thats the problem with anxiety, at 1 point your body will trigger your brain to think a certain way to get the same chemical reaction even you know you dont need to be afraid.

This might now even scare you more...its a circle. The only real way out is to understand what processes are going on and mental training.

Dont get me wrong, this take a lot of effort and willl but its your best bet.

Try to contact someone with experience in meditation or hypnosis.

memorize this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_anxiety_disorder

Not neccesarily true, he could get meds from his primary care doc (who are notoriously bad at psychiatric medication).

I saw a Neurologists (brain doctor) He's the one who put me on the drugs . My regular doctor did not want to give me a prescription till I saw this guy .

Are you sure your actually seeing a neurologist?

If so is there some reason he didnt refer you to a psychiatrist? Anxiety is really outside of a neurologist's typical practice, if its still bothering you definately try to see a psychiatrist as they are trained in both pharmaceutical and psychotherapy treatments. A neurologist isnt going to be of much help unless you have other more serious medical conditions and anxiety is steming from that.

Definately see a psychiatrist and let him/her know your interested in trying to deal with this with as little medication as posible. If he doesn't do much psychotherapy then he can refer you to a good psychologist for cognitive counselling.

I already stated that drugs are a tool. No matter, you still have to learn to stay away from triggers and how to deal with anxiety/whatever, when it strikes.

Meds don't do anything but dull it out, unless you want to be zombified, which most psychiatrists are now careful not to do.

Link?

Do you honestly believe that people just run on out and get drugs to mess with their brains? It takes most people years upon years of denial, and trying their own half-baked ideas to "cure" themselves before they realize they need help.

Frontal lobotomies basically destroyed many people's lives, and took away other important functions, drugs don't do the same thing.

This isn't true. Information and research has found pathogenic reasoning for many different problems. See my post above about wiring.

However, you are right that many drugs are not understood completely, but without you being a chemist, you would not know how a chemist works out these things.

Sure it does. Many things in psychiatry were not understood in those days.

Basically, all the current meds were developed since them. Lithium is the biggest exception of course.

Psychiatry is a very young field.

I think you would be surprised.

Many of the drugs we now use, even OTC's aren't understood fully.

Okay, so you think that Anxiety is pathogenic. With your current reasoning, you put it in the same line as a heart attack.

Both use medicines.

This line is horrible, you are suggesting that you are going to drop meds, which are proven to work from study after study, yet say that OP should us hypnosis, which is, at best, a parlor trick.

Rather interisting.

Any good psychiatrist will refer you to someone to work with, depending on your disorder.

As for using the least amount of meds possible, they hear it all the time. Eventually the patient crawls back after a truly effed up episode, asking for something that will hopefully prevent it from happening again.

What I was saying is some psychiatrists will do the psychotherapy themselves while others will refer to a psychologist.

And about using the least meds - Im saying to let the psychiatrist know that he is definately interested in psychotherapy, b/c there are alot of people out there who aren't interested in putting in the time and would rather just take meds.

Mostly just saying that he needs to see a psychiatrist, neurologists dont treat anxiety disorders.

For alot of people anxiety responds really well to CBT. This guy isnt psychotic, he just is trying to deal with anxiety.

I say that thoughts are directly correlated to our body and vice versa. When one has a history of anxiety disorder the body triggers the brain to think a certain way so the brain releases the chemicals the body got addicted to. Even if the person is aware that he doesnt need to feel that way, without mental practice the porblem is impossible to cure. Of course you can just pump meds into your body, but that only fights the symptons not the problem.




That happens with everything and this is why so many people are stuck with things they actually dont want, like smoking or a destructive relationship. If this work in a negative way it can also work in a positive way.




actually its not horrible at all, OP asked for alternative advice because he realized the meds didnt cure him and he wants to get away from it.

I support that and I say it is absoltely possible to get away or at least improve his life significantly without relying on drugs.

Drugs can still play supportive role but arent the solution.

OP has already realized this and is rightfully looking for alternitive solutions.

I think he should definetly try hypnosis and other alternative things. Meditation is another tool which can help with this.

Doing what I said will not only help people with said problem but it can be used in every aspect of life and can improve ones quality of life enormously if he makes the choice.

Yes, current psychology is open to alternative practices such as meditation, but hypnosis is completely debunked aside from the hypnotizing part. Once again, your argument classifier anxiety as pathogenic. If I use the heart idea again: you can cut all the red meat and salt you want, but no one should be using an alternitive, such as accupuncture or yoga, in place of clot busters and hypertension pills. Using those things are fine and dandy if it helps you feel better, but remember that the same ones who press this stuff are the same ones who sell snake oil.

I have similar symtoms as OP. I don't get anxiety when I go out but I do have thoughts that race through my head especially when i am trying to sleep. I start worrying about all kinds of BS and sometimes I literally have to get out of bed and go outside for a quick sprint or 2 because the panick attack is so severe I think it jump starts my fight or flight response.

I have not told my doctor about it because at this time I am 100% against taking meds and my dad has always thought shrinks were full of ****.

Drinking makes it worse and so does caffeine.

Working out on a regular basis works wonders.

I am currently taking a small pay cut and moving to a less stressful job soon. Hoping that will help has well not sure.

If it gets much worse I am going to have to go see the doctor though. F!

You are not alone OP. GL man.

There is a lot of quackery regarding special diets to control anxiety attacks. But here a couple good pointers from the Mayo Clinic:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cop...nxiety/AN01589

The most important one is limited or no alcohol consumption.

Mhh, I dont think we should put people who practice meditation or hypnosis and in the same book with people who scam other people.

I think you should do a little study on both subjects before you judge them.

If we have the same understanding of pathogenic, I think most mental disorders become pathogenic at some point. Especially with something like an anxiety disorder. If your body is used to the chemical shot of anxiety it gets everyday it will get addicted to it and it will get even more difficult to cure it.

We always get addicted to our emotional state of beeing at some point if we just repeat often enough, thats natural. What iam suggesting though is that what works in this one way, also work in the other way.

If one starts to become aware of ones thoughts and feelings, he can practice a different state of mind, like happyness or gratitude. And meditation is exactly the right thing to achieve this.

Of course that demands a lot of hard work and will. And it demands from you to change yourself. But if you make up your mind you will be able to achieve results. And i think one problem is that most? people are not willing to take the neccesary steps to cure themselves because it takes so much effort, they rather rely on taking drugs which takes literally 0 effort, or it may because they have too much stress in their lives so theyre just not able to which might in the end be the cause of their problem?


Your brain is more powerfull then any drug, and no drug is so powerfull that it can cure your brain. But I agree that drugs that have been tested to be succesfull can play a major role in the curing process.

Basiclly anything that reduces stress and helps one to achieve a higher, better state of mind is helpfull with the problem I believe.

I also like what waterwolves suggested. Doing some kind of sport can be a good idea.

The problem with SSRIs and other antidepressants is that they can cause severe side effects or exacerbate other issues, and eventually you end up taking medications to combat side effects. It can take years before all of your problems are fixed. This is speaking from experience.

I've been on SSRIs for nearly 2 years. There are no side effects for me. Sorry you had a ****ty doctor.

If you have depression or anxiety, you really should stay away from alcohol. It seems counter-intuitive, haha, but I've really seen some people get pretty ****ed up when they combined depressive bouts with lots of drinking. Just a bad idea.

Apparently there's a chemical effect too where as part of the hangover you can have decreased serotonin levels as well as affected lactic acid levels which all contribute to the chemical causes of depression.