cause I was bored and was trying to think of a way to show what I'm talking about and what to me makes sense anatomically.

PS: I'd love for this to be evaluated by someone who truly knows their anatomical ****. This is just pure theory on my part based on the anatomy. I could be completely wrong and innumerable people who feel their lats help are feeling them for completely different reasons - possibly because the triceps are simplying resting against them or they are contracting them while flaring, thus stretching a contracted muscle (contraction is adduction, flare is abduction), in a sense doing a PNF stretch of the lat.

6th May: Project Momentum Week 2 Day 4

2ct Pause Deadlift
230x1 RPE 9.5
225x2 RPE 9.5
200x3
200x3

Pin Press (mid range)
140x1 RPE 8
135x3 RPE 9
127.5x3
127.5x3

RDL
100x8
120x8
120x8
120x8
120x8
120x8

For some reason I had numbers in mind for pause deadlifts that were higher than I should have done, which I only realised after I'd done the top single and found it hard and then not done the third rep of the first back off... I thought I was having a bad session but I was 10-15kg above where I should have been working. Mid pin press showed some progress too.

Day 8: 2362 cals, 145g protein
Day 9: 2275 cals, 176g protein
Day 10: 2227 cals, 163g protein
Day 11: 2137 cals, 162g protein
Day 12: 2493 cals, 163g protein
Day 13: 2261 cals, 174g protein
Day 14: 3000 cals, 165g protein - tried to overestimate cals here but it is a guestimate, had homemade pizzas and a plum and chocolate self-saucing pudding for dessert. Overall average for the week is pretty good.

35 Days Until Comp

I do not know my anatomical ****, but all the stuff you're suggesting makes sense to me based on how these movements feel when I do them.

Great work!

that is called confirmation bias

Day 15: 2444 cals, 161g protein - got a 60 minute walk in today for recovery too.

8th May: Project Momentum Week 3 Day 1

Squat
205x1 RPE 8
205x2 RPE 9
195x2
195x2
195x2

Bench Press
130x1 @8
130x2 RPE 9
122.5x2
122.5x2
122.5x2

Overhead Press
42.5x9
42.5x9
42.5x9
42.5x9
42.5x9
42.5x9
42.5x9

Very good day, squats felt heavy on walkout but moved ok. Bench was a nice PR double.

Day 15: 2444 cals, 161g protein
Day 16: 2412, 164g protein - did ok today but probably not good enough. Tighten up from tomorrow.

I feel like in lieu of actually reading the Nuckols article and the associated science (including explanation of the biomechanics) people are just guessing on what they "feel" and drawing stuff in paint.

The problem isn't that there couldn't possibly be any sort of extension from the lats (and providing evidence that there may be a small amount in the very bottom as some sort of potential vindication is rofl), but that they play any meaningful role is super silly. They are a stabilizer, which is great. Like your abs, or calves or whatever, but the idea that the contribute meaningfully to lifting the bar is absurd due to the overwhelming nature of the data. (Tricep/pec/delt all have compelling biomechanics/data.)

This is mostly a PLer thing. Look back to the commentary that Cha provides on a DL where he literally lauds a person for his eyeball positioning ignoring a slightly out of neutral neck position (which I think is perfectly fine and vastly overrated as an injury worry). Instead of focusing on whether the lift is "k", and then grinding out a bunch of "k" reps (IE stuff that isn't gonna hurt you and doesn't have any major form problems within the realm of reason) we start looking for other problems with technique until people literally rant about jaw/eyeball/tongue positioning. Montebro has been infected by this silliness.

It is really just the culmination of poor thinking, bro culture and confirmation bias. Nuckols is kinda a trollish asshat, but a very bright one that frequently produces some of the highest quality content on exercise science almost always with evidence rooted in science. The casual dismissal based on anecdotal evidence when faced with overwhelming scientific evidence is worrying, but not unexpected among the uneducated and close minded.

Then again this spills into "Why don't facts convince people" which is just lol in general since no one Bayesian updates.

my artwork is bootiful shut up!

fwiw I wasn't trying to confirm or vindicate anything as should be evident that I alluded to not even knowing the lat attached to the front of the arm.

but obv in hindsight it was pointless for me to write all that up because Nuckols did cover it. But hey, I edumucated myself in the process so meh.

Lats go in, lats go out. You can't explain that!

That's kinda thin bro, but we'll allow it.

9th May: Project Momentum Week 3 Day 2

Sumo Deadlift
240x1 @8
240x2 @9
227.5x2
227.5x2
227.5x2

2ct Pause Bench Press
125x1
125x2
112.5x2
112.5x2
112.5x2

Very good day deadlifting, but my hands hurt by the end. Single at 240 was sloppy, but the double was better. Pulled the metronome app out for pause bench, with a drop in total weight lifted but probably closer to a 2ct pause.

Day 15: 2444 cals, 161g protein
Day 16: 2412, 164g protein
Day 17: 2276cals, 161g protein

32 Days Until Comp

Day 18: 2532 cals, 186g protein

have you already done the RTS general intermediate program? If you have, how does it compare to project momentum? Should one def be completed before the other?

I had one aborted go years back but got injured playing football i think.

Definitely isn't a prerequisite. I don't think Mike programs like the GIP anymore, and that his current thinking is more in like with prescribe # of sets (PM) than using fatigue percents. You can look at what Brett Gibbs is doing at the moment as he is 1-1 programmed by Mike, and it is similar to PM with singles @8 prior to back off work.

11th May: Project Momentum Week 3 Day 3

2ct Pause Squat
180x1
180x2
170x2
170x2
170x2

TnG Bench Press
130x1
100x14
95x11

Wide Grip Bench Press
90x5
92.5x5
95x5
95x5
95x5
95x5
95x5

Squats felt heavy, but bench felt ok. Possibly could have pushed it another 2.5kg on the top single, but was tired by then.

Day 15: 2444 cals, 161g protein
Day 16: 2412 cals, 164g protein
Day 17: 2276 cals, 161g protein
Day 18: 2532 cals, 186g protein
Day 19: 2229 cals, 165g protein - a better day today

30 Days Until Comp

Mike T's article on PM results is out: http://articles.reactivetrainingsyst...-17-1-results/

I was in Group D, high reps on AMRAP, low intensity program

interesting read, how many reps do you get at 80% for each lift?

11 at 175kg on squat, 10 at 192.5kg on deadlift, 8 at 105kg on bench

Day 20: 2325 cals, 145g protein

13th May: Project Momentum Week 3 Day 4

2ct Pause Deadlift
220x1 RPE 7.5
210x4
197.5x4
197.5x4
197.5x4

Pin Press (mid range)
142.5x1
135x4
125x4
125x4
125x4

RDL
120x9
120x9
120x9
120x9
120x9

Solid day lifting - lots of reps at high weight deadlift but feel like I am internalising a few things a bit more automatically when it gets hard.

Day 21: ???? cals, >140g protein - untracked day, had eggs benedict on potato gratin with pulled pork hock for breakfast, a couple of macarons and egg sandwiches for lunch, chicken salad for dinner and a sculpin. A shake in there too.

28 Days Until Comp

Nice DLs. 240 is starting to look pretty easy for you.

130 bench looked better at the bottom.

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Official Weigh In: 83.1kg - home scale, no correction

Day 22: 2573 cals, 195g protein.

how have you done with maintaining strength while on a cut in the past? I find its very hard to do, even when I keep the deficit small and up the protein.