Originally Posted by bearz
I wonder about [a 400 pound bench press] too, given the same hypothetical. Though maybe it's better to make it % of body weight.
Who couldn't get to 250+ pounds with drugs and enough incentive?
That's the whole point though: I picked 400 pounds on purpose because I looked at a couple charts and it seemed like that was maybe close enough to the 16:30 5K that the point would stand.
And I know what you're saying, but for the question itt, making it a % of body weight is exactly wrong, because a 16:30 5K isn't a sliding scale, 16:30 is a concrete number. It's not like we're going to have different goal times for, say, people whose mitochondria aren't as naturally good at producing aerobic energy as other people's.
And the 250 lb number you threw out is also exactly my point. Because if the whole world was devoted to benching, then I'll bet a ton
of people would be able to get to 250--hey, maybe even 95%. Some guys would get it right away without breaking a sweat. Most guys would have to work at it. Some would ultimately have to put on tons of weight, they'd have to go totally against their natural body type, and only then would they eke it out. We can all imagine how this would play out.
But a 250 lb bench press is many galaxies away from a 400lb bench press. And here's a related point: a 400 lb bench press is still a looong way away from a 375lb bench press. The temptation with stuff like this is to think: well jfc, if a guy can bench 375 then CMON we can DEFINITELY get him to squeeze out those last 25 lbs, he just has to WANT IT MORE and TRY HARDER or SOMETHING.
but that's not how bell curves and inverse-square slopes and stuff like that works. People want to think that everyone is capable of everything like we're all living in the mf'ing celestine prophecy, and yeah I even agree that most things are like that. But super duper elite achievement isn't like that.
ok maybe a 16:30 5k isn't super duper elite, but man it's awfully elite. And anyway, if the other side of the argument is true, then where would it end? If we could all run a 16:30, then why not a 15:30, or a 13 flat? The 16:30 number was always pretty arbitrary and it was just too low for this debate.