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12-10-2010, 03:31 AM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
Switching to big but boring template for all days?
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12-10-2010, 05:40 AM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
I think just the skwat days since he doesn't think he is skwatting enough.
Any thoughts as to doing squat work for DL assistance and DL work for Squat assistance? So you're doing both more often. I think a main complaint about 5/3/1 is the lack of squatting so this is a standard way of going about doing more.
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12-10-2010, 06:20 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
I did and ended up with bicep DOMS so bad I had to clamp my arms straight
Last edited by Barge Ass; 12-10-2010 at 06:21 AM.
Reason: re: Kroc rows
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12-10-2010, 06:45 AM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
I think just the skwat days since he doesn't think he is skwatting enough.
Any thoughts as to doing squat work for DL assistance and DL work for Squat assistance? So you're doing both more often. I think a main complaint about 5/3/1 is the lack of squatting so this is a standard way of going about doing more.
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Wouldn't this just spread it out more? Unless you're advocating extra work and/or back squatting as assistance.
If you follow the periodization bible template you could e.g. front squat as assistance both for DL and squats since it's quad assistance. That's 5x10 each day, which should be enough for most people...
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12-10-2010, 10:33 AM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Switching to big but boring template for all days?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
I think just the skwat days since he doesn't think he is skwatting enough.
Any thoughts as to doing squat work for DL assistance and DL work for Squat assistance? So you're doing both more often. I think a main complaint about 5/3/1 is the lack of squatting so this is a standard way of going about doing more.
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im def gunna keep dip/chins and db bench/rows on the upper body days... i just didnt feel like f*cking around with leg presses and lunges and sh*t today
but yes... i still have nfi what kind of accessory i want to or should do for the lower body days  so for now im gunna do big but boring on those days... maybe ill switch it up and do deadlift/squat one day and squat/deadlift the other day though...
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Originally Posted by Barge Ass
I did and ended up with bicep DOMS so bad I had to clamp my arms straight
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lulz?
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Wouldn't this just spread it out more? Unless you're advocating extra work and/or back squatting as assistance.
If you follow the periodization bible template you could e.g. front squat as assistance both for DL and squats since it's quad assistance. That's 5x10 each day, which should be enough for most people...
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i do kinda wanna do front squats too... i just feel like if i do front squats i should balance it out with something ghey like leg curls or some****..
i dunno, ill put some more thought into it later... just got back from concert.  my only weakness is hungry and sleepy
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12-10-2010, 11:04 AM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
RDLs or GMs are non-ghey hamstring exercises imo. Although I shiver at the thought of doing 5x10 front squats followed by 5x10 GMs. I assume Wendleeeeeeeeeeeeeer has some clue as to why there is quad assistance on both DL and squat days but only hamstring assistance on DL day.
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12-10-2010, 01:24 PM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Wouldn't this just spread it out more? Unless you're advocating extra work and/or back squatting as assistance.
If you follow the periodization bible template you could e.g. front squat as assistance both for DL and squats since it's quad assistance. That's 5x10 each day, which should be enough for most people...
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Well yeah, but it means you'd be squatting more than 1 day a week which most people desire. I think swapping the accessory movements to a different day also allows you to perform better at them. This has to be balanced with the main lifts of course as they are the priority you don't want accessory DL work affecting Squat day.
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12-12-2010, 07:55 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
Iteration 2, Week 2, Saturday December 11 2010
Random
Whole bunch of RDLs and clean high-pulls. Maybe somewhere in the vacinity of 50-60 total reps in sets of 3-5 at weights between 40kg and 60kg. Working on technique with a trainer.
so yes, I went to a trainer to see if he could help out my clean. The jury is still out. We did RDLs and I guess what you would call hang-clean high-pulls...
I like one thing he got me doing which was what he called "cork screwing" the bar. Kind of twisting my elbows in which def helped to get my upper back tighter and chest up better. Although because I wasn't used to it, my grip failed much quicker and I've got some lolforearm doms.
Of course despite me directly telling him that I just want help with my cleans. He is still trying to reprogram my program and get me fulsik shredded... I'm like "Dude. I don't care if I'm 20% bf. Just tell me what I am doing wrong with my cleans" and he's all like "Ok, we're going write you a program and get you leanz0r*!!"
I can almost see that this will be a waste of a few weeks clean training and a couple of hundred bucks... but I'll give it a try.
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12-12-2010, 08:34 PM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
Trainers are often sales people more than coaches. Keep him coaching. Its your money don't let him forget it. Surprising that someone like that would also know his stuff wrt o.lifts though.
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12-12-2010, 10:26 PM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
Iteration 2, Week 3, Monday December 13 2010
Yay for week 3! \^_^/
Press
???x20
5x40
5x50
3x55
6x62.5
Chinup
8,7,7,6,6,6 =40
Dips
5x10 +7kg
Probably a press pr, if it's not a pr, it is at least a long time since I've done that weight. Tried to WIM a 7th, but couldn't quite get it.
Chins felt hard. Probably because of heavier press + tired forearms from Saturday.
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12-12-2010, 10:27 PM
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
Trainers are often sales people more than coaches. Keep him coaching. Its your money don't let him forget it. Surprising that someone like that would also know his stuff wrt o.lifts though.
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+1 on the bold.
He tells me he has assisted state level oly coaches. He talks the talk and seems to know what he is talking about. I figure time will tell.
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12-12-2010, 11:17 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
Aaaaaand in other news...
I've just looked over my summary of lifts for the last few weeks and I think I've got some wack rounding anomalies going on in my bench.
In the 3rd week of my first iteration, my top set was 87.5, this week (my 2nd iteration, week 3) it has me at 95kg... so +7.5kg
Even my squat and dead only went up 5kg each from week3 to week7.
Doesn't matter (I know I can rep at least a few at 95), just a bit lolz.
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12-13-2010, 04:44 AM
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#118
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
What are you using to calculate this? I'm using a spread sheet I found, but discovered the rounding formula was a bit inexact. Probably cause the author used pounds and I use kilos, so had to adjust that manually to account for "lower" weights in kg.
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12-13-2010, 05:50 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
Why don't you just add 5 lbs to everything instead next time? That's what you get for using kilos, imo.
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12-13-2010, 05:57 AM
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#120
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 00Snitch, meet Jim Wendler (5/3/1 log)
10 lbs to squat/DL, 5 lbs to BP/press according to Wendler. That's to the 1RM max. I'm guessing Snitch has probs due to the Excel formulas rounding. It's prob easier to change the formulas once rather than calculate everything in lbs for him.
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