Ok, that's good to know. Thanks.

Now that we've got that our of the way...

Let's say I can deadlift but not squat because the most pain is occurring at the greatest degrees of hip flexion and external rotation.

What are some good substitutes? I *may* be able to front squat and/or 'oly' squat due to the more narrow stance, but I need to test this.

Maaaaybe a split squat will work due to the lack of hip abduction. I've been thinking about trying these for ages because de franco has wood for them and all his athletes are elite so obviously they create elite athletes... anything else worth trying?

What I meant is that I've chosen not to believe that any soft tissue manipulation is legitimate. And the "painful and time consuming routine" I was referring to was just my standard stretching, warmup, and lifting.

They probably feel better in the same way you feel better when some rando rubs your junk

But in all seriousness, even the people with a fetish don't necessarily understand why it does anything for them. It's not something you need to or even should try to understand. The things that do it for you are what they are.

Try goblet squats? Its more front squat'ish though, but it does feel different since you can get even deeper (unless you're already a true ATG front squatter and that's what she said)

And its harder then you realize.

bench: 4x3x87.5
dead: 3x140, 8x3x110
press, good morning, rfess

Just did deads instead of squats. I don't care.

I see you switched to lbs

I think they're both effective.

I find lots of SMR to be bull**** and much of the theory behind it to be no different than self-flagellation at worst to a massage at best. Fascia just doesn't magically bind up in the short term, nor have I seen any evidence that someone taking two weekend classes to rub on you will "unbind" it. Look at the actual level of training these people have and come to your own conclusions.

Obviously basically everything cha and nuclol have written on the subject is wrong because they don't even know the educational levels that are required for ART practitioners. That is excluding the whole issue of espousing non-evidence based SMR like Graston or any of the other weird stuff.

This is the meathead equivalent to tumblrina's describing in great detail their numerous psychological afflictions and acting like talking/typing it out for all to see is somehow going to help, when in actuality it's making them more neurotically self-obssessed.

Get out of your own ****ing head and just do the damn work. You're an old man who plays rugby regularly and has had some injuries. **** is gonna not feel great sometimes. Figure out when it's just sore and when it's injured and act accordingly.

You wanna know why your groin felt better? It had another day of eating and rest to allow healing. It wasn't cuz some claptrap jammed his thumb in it.

Also if you want to help it heal just do some damn air squats and get some blood flow to the area. Do a few sets of 30 daily.

My extensive body of written word on fascial release or potential effectiveness (or lack thereof) of self administered is so egregiously wrong.

2 for 2 on educating self recently. Keep up the good work.

+1

Recently started playing football again (Irish kind). Am now 30+ old man. **** just aches everywhere. Bought new boots because the sore ankles and knees after training must be those mouldy 5 year old Puma's fault. Nah different boot made no difference I am just an old now. This is my life now. My hair is even going to Snitch town (am hopefully at least 3 years behind). Nothing is injured. **** is just sore. Sleep and food is the only real cure, if there is one at all. Maybe the odd massage, some stretches for tight areas etc.

Like take your average late 30's or 40's powerlifter or Olympic lifter still competing. How sore do you think they are week to week? They probably have **** on ice constantly. It's mostly about dealing with it, training through it etc.

Your form for a gym old who plays a bit of sport recreationally is fine. I mean seriously it's better than almost everyone I see at the gym bar the actual competitors. And yet I haven't come close to seeing you post anything resembling a rep max. Sure maybe that's not ideal to do regularly but never? You probably haven't pulled a truly to failure set of 3 dead lifts in years. Every set I took the bother to watch recently looked like it wasn't even your last warm up set.

This is déjà vu though pretty sure people were telling you not to be a pussy years ago on this very thread.

I am pretty sure his mum told him that as he exited the aussie **** birth canal

I don't really disagree with any of the recent savage burns.

I do feel like this current hip\groin pain is more than just the olds and\or general bumps and bruises. I'm pretty accustomed to olds + bumps and bruises.

Then stop squatting with form that makes you have physical pain.

Again. I agree (although I've admittedly ignored\worked around this issue for a long time). That's what I'm trying to figure out. Hence trying form (and to some extent programming) modifications and variations. Although, right now the form that allows me to squat with no pain appears to be not squatting at all. Stay tuned.

This is riveting. You hurt your hip and doing movements that involve using the injured joint have pain.

Thremp is obviously on the money.

Don't squat, until you can do it pain free. It's ok.

Thread continues to deliver.

Seems like everything has gone to **** since you visited that coach, I told you it was a stupid idea

Indeed.

I was due though. I managed well over six months of mostly uninterrupted lifting. Lifts were approaching all time prs. I was threatening to exit dyel status. PLOKJ would never allow it. SALTS too strong.

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bench: 4x2x92.5
power clean: 10x1x80
db bench, bb row, rfess

I must be hungry cause I saw "rfess" and my brain read "fries"