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Nach England ziehen zum Pokern - Easy? Nach England ziehen zum Pokern - Easy?

12-12-2010 , 08:23 PM
Hallo,


ich habe gelesen, dass es viele deutsche Pokerspieler nach England gezogen hat in letzter Zeit.

Als EU-Bürger nach England zu gehen für einen bestimmten Zeit scheint ja auf den ersten Blick einfach.

Ist es schwierig ohne Arbeitsvertrag bzw. geregeltes Einkommen
einen Mietvertrag geschweigedenn ein Bankkonto dort zu bekommen?
Nehmen wir mal an, man hat genug Erspartes, um das erste Jahr "durchzukommen".

Scheint nur unproblematisch zu sein, wenn man als Student rübergeht.


Es gibt doch hier bestimmt ein paar, die "betroffen" sind und schon aus Erfahrungen berichten können.


Wäre toll etwas Licht ins dunkel zu bekommen.

Vielen Dank im voraus!
12-12-2010 , 08:49 PM
I don't write german very well, but I do understand most of what you are saying Basically England is pretty open (I came here from Denmark a few months ago)

Lloyds TSB and HSBC are both banks that provide basic accounts on a passport only, but I must advise LLoyds as they provide a free service. I think HSBC charge about £8 a month - which is just totally unneccesary to pay.

As for renting places you have about 0% chance with an agency. Usually they want: Proof of income, Bank Statements for 3 months and Proof of adress. Most private landlords are not super happy about pokerplayers either, and some might allow you if you pay 6 months upfront - a few of my poker playing friends did this.

I live in London btw.
12-13-2010 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisbroholm
I don't write german very well, but I do understand most of what you are saying Basically England is pretty open (I came here from Denmark a few months ago)

Lloyds TSB and HSBC are both banks that provide basic accounts on a passport only, but I must advise LLoyds as they provide a free service. I think HSBC charge about £8 a month - which is just totally unneccesary to pay.

As for renting places you have about 0% chance with an agency. Usually they want: Proof of income, Bank Statements for 3 months and Proof of adress. Most private landlords are not super happy about pokerplayers either, and some might allow you if you pay 6 months upfront - a few of my poker playing friends did this.

I live in London btw.
if you pay 6 months upfront almost any agent and landlord will be happy, i know this from experience since i've talked to countless agents when i was looking for a place as foreign poker player (first time i said i had saving from whatever then 2nd time i just told them about poker, didn't seem to make a difference). as one of them said : '' if you pay 6 mo upfront you could be a bank robber and they wouldn't care''.
12-13-2010 , 06:59 AM
very weird.

so you can easily open a bank account without actually living in london?

however, when you wanna rent a room they need MORE statements than they need in germany?
12-13-2010 , 07:36 AM
das wichtigste ist zuerst einmal eine Wohung finden, danach sollte es eigentlich recht schnell mit Bankkonto und allen anderen Dingen gehen

die Bedingungen von den Agenturen sind unterschiedlich, aber mit dem 6 Mieten im voraus zahlen ist man auf der sicheren Seite, ansonsten könnte es problematisch weden als Pokerspieler

bin ab April in England und suche dann dort nach einer Wohnung, Vorteil natürlich ist auch das es viele möblierte Wohnung gibt was sehr praktisch ist für Leute die noch nicht sicher sind ob sie dort ewig bleiben

wenn man nicht sofort eine Wohnung findet in England muss man sich halt für längere Zeit in einem BnB einnisten, dort gibts bei manchen auch longterm deals (falls man halt noch länger auf seine Wohnung warten muss)

am einfachsten ist bankmäßig Llodys, dort brauchst einfach nur die Wohnadress und den Pass (haben sie mir dort in der Bank gesagt)
12-13-2010 , 07:46 AM
und wie ist das mit aufenthaltsgenehmigung für deutsche ?
12-13-2010 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jackie nguyen
und wie ist das mit aufenthaltsgenehmigung für deutsche ?
brauchen keine
12-13-2010 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FlippoManiacs
brauchen keine
Ich glaube so einfach ist es nicht. Ich habe die Information, dass Du nachweisen musst nicht auf die Sozialsysteme angwiesen zu sein und dich selber versorgen zu können, falls Du nach drei Monaten keinen geregelten Job hast (wird wohl durch einen ausreichenden Guthabenstand auf einem englischen Konto bewiesen, aber auch hier wäre eine Info durch "Betroffene" sehr gut, ob jemand Schwierigkeiten hatte oder nicht).


Also sechs Monate im voraus zahlen und alle Vermieter reiben sich die Hände?
Das klingt ja doch recht einfach.

Wie lange hat es denn gedauert, bis Ihr ein Konto mit Kreditkarte bekommen habt? Ich habe gelesen, dass dies durch die fehlende credit history sehr lange dauert. Und dann wird ja schon das Buchen von gelegentlichen Flügen in die Heimat zur Unmöglichkeit. Oder ist LLoyds da genauso unbürokratisch wie bei dem basic Bankkonto?

Thx.
12-13-2010 , 09:50 AM
Stimmt ist nicht so einfach ist es nicht, mehr nachzulesen gibt es hier: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/fr...004/index.html
12-13-2010 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sukoutartist
Ich glaube so einfach ist es nicht.
Eine "Aufenthaltsgenehmigung" braucht man jedenfalls nicht innerhalb der EU als EU Bürger, genausowenig wie eine Arbeitserlaubnis. Abgesehen von Übergangsregelungen.
12-13-2010 , 10:08 AM
Die nächste essentielle Frage wäre dann die Krankenversicherung.

Gibt es in UK auch so etwas wie die freiwillige KV bei uns?
Und mit welchen Kosten muss man rechnen? Bekommt man sie einfach usw.

Auf der NHS Seite findet man nicht wirklich nützliche Infos.
12-13-2010 , 10:30 AM
und is 100% steuerfrei?

sry 4 hijack
12-13-2010 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sukoutartist
Die nächste essentielle Frage wäre dann die Krankenversicherung.

Gibt es in UK auch so etwas wie die freiwillige KV bei uns?
Und mit welchen Kosten muss man rechnen? Bekommt man sie einfach usw.

Auf der NHS Seite findet man nicht wirklich nützliche Infos.
i translated your post on babelfish and i'll reply in english again because the only german sentence i know how to write is '' ICH WILL !! ''.

you can get private health insurance from a lot of companies in the UK ( i have comprehensive plan from aviva and it's only 55£/mo, even less if you are early 20's and healthy). poker is not taxed so you do not pay national healthcare since it's not income. you can also register with a NHS GP in your area (general practitioner) once you get settled here and the appointments are free but you won't get further NHS treatment since you don't pay it in your taxes (private insurance should take care of that). and of course emergency room is free and it's not just for superemergencies, say you don't have a GP yet and need some help you can just go there.



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very weird.

so you can easily open a bank account without actually living in london?

however, when you wanna rent a room they need MORE statements than they need in germany?

yes, you can have a passport HSBC account without even living in the UK .

the renting is very complicated since they want to make supersure you can pay (UK laws make it very hard for the landlord to kick you out if you don't have money and it could take months for him to do it).



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Originally Posted by vitti
und is 100% steuerfrei?

sry 4 hijack
yesssir
12-13-2010 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by adi





yes, you can have a passport HSBC account without even living in the UK .





when i was in malta and wanted to open a bank account at HSBC they said I HAVE to be living in malta and they NEED to know what job I have.

Too much money laudering around the world. I doubt its that easy in the UK.
12-13-2010 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by insyder19
when i was in malta and wanted to open a bank account at HSBC they said I HAVE to be living in malta and they NEED to know what job I have.

Too much money laudering around the world. I doubt its that easy in the UK.
when i opened my uk passport account 2 years ago i told them i was living in a holiday flat so i didn't have a stable residence, so they just wanted the address i had in my home country. it took a couple or weeks or so to finally have it opened because i told them i was a poker pro and to them it sounded like ''ZOMG INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY'' so they did a thousand searches to see if my name came up anywhere. maybe the fact that i'm from eastern europe also had something to do with it, but not living there wasn't a problem at all. you just need an ID that has your home country address on it. even americans can do it, you don't need to be EU.
12-13-2010 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by adi
when i opened my uk passport account 2 years ago i told them i was living in a holiday flat so i didn't have a stable residence, so they just wanted the address i had in my home country. it took a couple or weeks or so to finally have it opened because i told them i was a poker pro and to them it sounded like ''ZOMG INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY'' so they did a thousand searches to see if my name came up anywhere. maybe the fact that i'm from eastern europe also had something to do with it, but not living there wasn't a problem at all. you just need an ID that has your home country address on it. even americans can do it, you don't need to be EU.
Was the passport account initially with cc or/and debit card and if not how long did it take?
12-13-2010 , 02:00 PM
Regular bank account = easy
Flat = very easy (pay 6 months in advance)
12-13-2010 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sukoutartist
Was the passport account initially with cc or/and debit card and if not how long did it take?
they give you a VISA debit card. cc takes a couple of years if you use the account a lot and they see you have monies (probably less for supermoney).
12-13-2010 , 03:38 PM
hellö zis germäns förüm
12-14-2010 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by adi
when i opened my uk passport account 2 years ago i told them i was living in a holiday flat so i didn't have a stable residence, so they just wanted the address i had in my home country. it took a couple or weeks or so to finally have it opened because i told them i was a poker pro and to them it sounded like ''ZOMG INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY'' so they did a thousand searches to see if my name came up anywhere. maybe the fact that i'm from eastern europe also had something to do with it, but not living there wasn't a problem at all. you just need an ID that has your home country address on it. even americans can do it, you don't need to be EU.
if you are known from tv or whatever of course it sounds way easier.

also 2 years ago is before the bank affairs in switzerland/lichtenstein/luxembourg.

i know that 10 years ago 2 guys just went to luxembourg with 500k in cash and opened a bank account. nobody asked them where the money is from. see if it works now.
12-14-2010 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by insyder19
if you are known from tv or whatever of course it sounds way easier.

also 2 years ago is before the bank affairs in switzerland/lichtenstein/luxembourg.

i know that 10 years ago 2 guys just went to luxembourg with 500k in cash and opened a bank account. nobody asked them where the money is from. see if it works now.
I physically walked into an HSBC not too long ago with an american and they said no problem , they just need passport and driving license.


this is from their page


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Here is what you will need

We will need you to bring in one form of identification and one non-UK address verification

Identification
Valid Passport
National Identity Card

Non-UK address verification
Driver's Licence (must include address, signature and photograph)
Valid National Identity Card
Bank, building society or credit union statement
Gas, electricity or home telephone bill
Letter from the UK Home Office confirming your right to work in the UK or from UK employer, in English, on official headed paper.
If you are a international student: From a UK university, college or recognised language school, In English, on headed paper with the school's address, signed and dated, stating the duration of your course and your non-UK address.

http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/personal/c...arted#imp_docs


as long as you ''intend'' to move to the UK in the next 3 months, which is just your word basically since they don't ask for any proof of that and you have the 2 docs needed then you can have your account.

i don't know about swiss and lux banks and walking into them with millions but that has nothing to do with opening a basic account at HSBC. of course you will be investigated if you open it and then transfer 200k to it the next day, this isn't an account to help european high stakes ''ballas'' avoid taxes, it's mostly for students coming into the UK and finding it difficult to get an account without having a stable address yet. i know other countries where you don't need to be resident to get a bank account and you don't even need to intend to move there (czech republic , spain etc) but there are probably even more than i don't know of. i guess it's even easier if you're already a EU citizen. it's up to the bank if they allow non-residents or not.
12-14-2010 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by adi
if you pay 6 months upfront almost any agent and landlord will be happy, i know this from experience since i've talked to countless agents when i was looking for a place as foreign poker player (first time i said i had saving from whatever then 2nd time i just told them about poker, didn't seem to make a difference). as one of them said : '' if you pay 6 mo upfront you could be a bank robber and they wouldn't care''.
tis

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Originally Posted by insyder19
very weird.

so you can easily open a bank account without actually living in london?

however, when you wanna rent a room they need MORE statements than they need in germany?
no. not that easy... i was at hsbc so far, dressed like a bum and they said they'll call me back... did never happend... told them how much money it will be but they prolly did not believed me... lloyds is easier from what i've heard...

u'll never get a bankaccount without proof of adress (in england) and utility bills though...

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Originally Posted by Sukoutartist
Die nächste essentielle Frage wäre dann die Krankenversicherung.

Gibt es in UK auch so etwas wie die freiwillige KV bei uns?
Und mit welchen Kosten muss man rechnen? Bekommt man sie einfach usw.

Auf der NHS Seite findet man nicht wirklich nützliche Infos.
ich hab mir online was gesucht... war 450gbp oder so im jahr...
12-15-2010 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
tis

ich hab mir online was gesucht... war 450gbp oder so im jahr...
link plz
12-15-2010 , 03:39 PM
Bin seit November in London. Bankkonto eröffnen ist definitv kein Problem, wenn man die Wohnung hat. Bin bei Barclays. Die Debitcard kam nach einer Woche. Online Banking Freischaltung hatte allerdings zwei Wochen gedauert. Probleme bereitet die Bank mir allderdings bei der parallelen Eröffnung eines Kontos in Euro. Dafür brauchen die irgendeine Transaktionshistorie von mir. Die meinen das wird nichts bis Februar, März. Defintiv sehr merkwürdig.

Bezüglich Health insurance. Habe ich mich jetzt noch nicht drum gekümmert. Aber ich dachte man holt sich die Health insurance number bei dem GP seiner Wahl. Es sollte reichen, wenn man resident ist, sprich eine Wohnung und 183 Tage im Jahr im Land ist. Es handelt sich zwar um ein Steuerfinanziertes System, aber ich glaube nicht das man auch Steuern zahlen muss, um es in Anspruch zu nehmen. Lasse mich aber gerne eines besseren belehren... . Ist die private einfach eine Zusatzversicherung, damit man schneller Termine machen kann, größere Arztwahl etc. hat?
12-19-2010 , 11:08 AM
Lloyds is very easy to get a bank account, I just walked in there with my passport and that was it. One week later I had my debit card working. Now that I get bank statements I can use these statements to open accounts in other banks (Lloyds really not super tbh)

With NHS health insurance I'm quite certain that you just need to be a resident of the country and have a registered number - you get this at the citizens center in your area presumably, once you have this you can get a GP assigned and you are in, totally costless.

I have not heard of a situation where you are partly funded by the NHS for anything medical... Dentists will charge you regardless, but the costs are fixed within some NHS rules.

Good luck with it all though

      
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