Nope. You are suppose to do that in public to attract girls. Earlier in this topic Tyler Durden clips were shown by Flawless and a debate broke out about if he was telling people to embrace their inner loser. Here again he is going the same thing -- telling people to **** social conventions and act like a loser. It seems to be the core of his system which makes sense given the Fight Club references. Embracing your inner loser will not get you laid. It will get you kicked out of most places and maybe even beaten up in a few.

I dont get what you are saying. I thought you didnt get laid? Who is this woman who was attracted? You should be able to dance with a girl in a club without relying on this.

My god. With some of the stuff flawless was saying, I could see that PUA had some benefit etc, and I had been semi convinced. This stuff just makes me cringe.

I would actually be really interested to see his take on this, whether this is the stuff that he says gives PUA a bad name, or whether he can (somehow??) portray this stuff in particular in a positive light.

I think donkbluffer is correct in that this particular video was teaching people to not give a damm. Uninhibit or something. But the general aim is to get woman. I couldnt watch the whole thing as it actually was that bad, but the guy earlier said he was doing this exact stuff in a club, to get women.

No it is pretty clear you are suppose to do this at the club in public. He says it at least 4-5 times. It isn't some sort of get yourself psyched up thing you do in private.

Given Flawless held out Tyler Durden as a good PUA guru I think we know where he stands on this.

I think you're missing the point of the video if you think (doing that specific action) ---> (get women). It's just preparation to get into the right mindset imo.

There are obv other ways to get into the right mindset but no doubt the success rate for guys who are in a withdrawn and low energy state is very low.

I've actually gone out with someone who is into Tyler Durden/RSD, and we did some of those things in a club once. They actually did loosen me up a bit, and more importantly, we found out that nobody gave a damn. You'd imagine that everybody would stare at you if you did silly stuff like that, or even that you'd get thrown out of a club or beat up as Henry thinks, but the reality was that nobody cared!
Actually, it has become very clear from Henry's posts that he cares a lot about what others think of him. He probably cares too much.

Still you are doing this in public. He makes that perfectly clear. Your chances of getting laid just became zero by any girl who saw you do this.

Did you get laid?

As for no one caring. If you are going to bars that are basically cheap drinks inside of four walls people will think you are annoying but not care. Any other place you'll be asked to stop or leave.

Of course I care about what certain people think. The whole point of being social is to be liked. The reason social misfits study PUA is to find out how to act like a normal member of society. That someone would take advantage of that and tell them to act like a retard is offensive. People who go to RSD are desperate for advice and this is what they get?


Actually this is the case. They might just have no interest in hooking up with someone who thinks the behaviour in that clip is socially acceptable.

DonkBluffer
Its a mix of both, I like to start off just letting loose to get all my anxieties free. To get out of the mindset that im trying to pick up girls and into the mindset of im trying to have fun. But I'm telling you it attracts girls ive seen it twice wtf do I have to do record this ? lol

ya thats a big problem with guys in that they care too much about what others think about themselves. Hell not just guys but humans in general, because we have been socially conditioned to do what society approves of, buy that BMW, bow down to womans needs because its 'gentlemanly' of you lmao.

So when guys buy girls drinks they EXPECT to be givin something in return, lol why would a woman want to believe she is only worth $10.

The-fryke
Regardless of whether you create 'high energy' through dancing like crazy or just having a really good time with your friends, who do you think the woman is going to be more drawn to?

The guy who is having the time of his life and doesn't need anything from anyone else to have fun

Or the guy who is on the prowl to 'find' something from someone (a girl) in order to have fun (or sex obviously)

Think about this for a bit from the girls perspective if you can, you think girls go to clubs to meet guys LOL? pick up wouldn't be so hard if that was the case.

Again its one of the many tactics that may work, and has worked for me 2 nights in a row, I have had girls thrown at me yet again because of this. Ive gone clubbing 5x a month for 8 months and this has never happened, what is it a fluke ?
Sure you might be saying man I can't pull that off, and maybe you can't. But thats only one of the many ways to get girls so why stop there and 'cringe' at the idea because it doesn't meant your standards of what you deem acceptable behavior to pick up a woman.

People just need to read this book to understand basic social dynamics. People discredit a lot that is being said because they either say A) I could never do something like this or B) I wonder what people would think about me if they saw me doing things like this

Notice how the 2 are directly related to giving a **** about what other people think

Anyone who has gone out clubbing several times w/o any knowledge about these 'gaming rules' will know after reading the book why ask why ^^

Henry17

Its true, your not going to get every girl with every tactic you use, this is common sense. Pua doesn't guarantee that you can get any girl, it just increases your chances through understanding how their emotions work. There are several other ways to pick up girls and personally I think doing it during the day time is probably your best bet, and again your not going to be some crazy jumping monkey in the day time but theres other tactics you can use that will get you further or fail you sometimes.

Your location says Toyko so maybe things are different in Japan. Any guy who does this in a North American club is not getting laid. You might attract the female social misfits in the club or the fat/old chicks but that is it.

The problem with the mentality of not caring about what other's think of you is that hot girls care about what people think of them. Being seen with the weirdo that everyone is laughing at is not good for the girl's image. Even if a guy had a chance doing this in public just torpedoed it.

Henry, you keep talking with great confidence about what can get you laid and what can't, and what will happen if you do certain things, even though you never tried them or witnessed them. In other words, you're making stuff up. You're telling us what would happen if you did something, while you have never actually seen someone doing that.

I know for a fact that people have had tremendous success using routines that you have ridiculed. The whole reason that good routines are the way they are, is because they have a lot of stuff built into them that's proven to work well.


Basically what has happened again and again in this thread is this:

Someone says that PUA guru X uses Y routine. Said guru has used this routine many times, and with success. You then say that this routine would never work with any self-respecting woman and that the guru is a joke. Repeat.

Ever considered the notion that you might be wrong?

I have seen people get too rowdy and make a scene many times. They get asked to stop or leave.

I have seen people use PUA material many times I just didn't know what it was. It never worked. Since this topic I've been able to attach labels to it but that is about it.

Then how come none of the PUA students are willing to take up the prop bet I proposed when this topic started? If this **** works then it would be easy money.

He claims to have used this routine. Truth is this is about selling product to gullible desperate guys. PUA is specifically designed to appeal to a specific demographic not because it works but because it is marketable to that demographic. It is no different than how MLM and various get rich quick scams are designed to appeal to a specific demographic. In both cases the people don't see it but everyone else does.

Zero chance of that. I actually get laid.

Yeah high enmergy is good, girls like people who are fun, but this stuff just seems so fake and forced I cant see it being successful. As henry said, hot girls are 99% of the time the girls who DO give a **** what society thinks, hence why they are hot (they workout, wear hot clothes, makeup etc). Tho as henry says, maybe it is different in Japan, I know alot of things are very different there. In NZ/AUS as in USA, I really cant see this stuff working.

Of course girls go out to meet guys. This is another thing that annoys me about PUA, take the pussy off the pedastal (I am guilty of it as well). But seriously, all girls want a boyfriend, most girls also want sex, whether with a boyfriend or not.

You say youve had girls thrown at you? Example? More detail? I thought you didn't get laid??

I WOULD never do something like this, because people would think I was a tool. I agree that people should try and aim to care a little less about what people think, but you cant just ignore it. This PUA stuff is enforcing that to the extreme. ie you cant be a confident person if you are continually worried about what others think, but on the other hand how well you do as a social human being as part of soceity is based primarily on what others think. People who ARE cool can afford to not care what others think, because they think they are cool. If you arent cool/successful and dont care, you are just a loser. This PUA stuff is trying to put the chicken before the egg (i think thats the wrong saying but you get the drift). Im starting to agree with henry its trying to hard to find shortcuts.

This hits the nail right on the head. PUA leaders/'teachers' are like wolves eyeing wounded deer. They prey on the psychologically weak and vulnerable. No even moderately well adjusted guy would seriously consider using this stuff for anything other than entertainment.

I watched that clip where Tyler Durden is promoting acting like idiots in clubs. If you watch closely, just about everything he says is designed to keep a psychological chip on the students' shoulders. For example, right before he gets the volunteers to jump up and down and hoot and howler, he convinces the black volunteer and the rest of the audience that people are constantly judging him/them.

Such tactics are deplorable. All that guy is doing is maintaining a dominate/subordinate relationship with his customers (marks) so that they continue to pay him for his sophistry. That guy has nothing legitimate to offer them; he's like one of those cult leaders who convinces his followers that only he has the key to their redemption. In reality, he's keeping them down so he can keep taking advantage of their situation.