Good salesman are born, not made.

No. I really don't like psychology.

im going to try some things out, ive been clubbing for 8 months at like a minimum of 5x a month so I think I will be able to notice any differences.

So far when I replay scenarios in my head where i butchered 'the game' a lot of it has been described in the books. Why getting a phone number doesn't mean anything, same with kisses. Also how to approach girls less to make them feel less threatened.

But like I said, I will let the results speak for themselves as I learn and see the differences knowing more about how the game works overall.

I can definitely understand why people would think its a load of crap though as they see people running the same material word for word from books.

Let me make this poker analogy for closing. Before you played any poker, you had like a 50/30 style or whatever, but after you read some books and thought about it even more you tightened up. Sure some guys tightened up w/o reading but some people just dont see it.

With anything in life if you want to improve its going to come through hardwork and practice. Studying doesn't hurt either thats a function of hardwork.

This is trite and silly. I doubt I will ever end up sleeping with supermodels or what not. But to suggest that I can't improve my interpersonal skills is a level of silliness beyond wearing 17 watches and walking around with a purple velvet top hat.

alright im pretty sure pua works guys
i did alot of **** different than I usually do and sure I failed alot but the things that were mentioning in the book materialized before my eyes, even just trying to pick up girls in the street. I mean sure you probably want examples and **** so Ill give you one.

I created high energy in the club by making people make alot of noise jump and wave their arms, Had like 3 guys who look like they never have girls (i dont know tho its just looks and observation they were never with girls) and then one older lady (30+)

Soon younger girls started being within my proximity with a couple being practically shoved at me at the chance to join this high energy 'cult' soon I could even have other people join by invading their space and passing on the energy.

Usually Im not one to make such a scene because I relied on being more serious with pick up. It doesn't matter girl or guy people there are sometimes too serious and looking for things that don't exist, people just having alot of fun draw people to them, because why the hell did we come to the club in the 1st place.

I will try more solo pick ups rather than dancing in tomorrows session althoguh I failed miserably today with it hahaha

It is unclear in that story if you actually got laid or not that night. Did you?

Wait did you ask your friends to make a lot of noise and jump around? How did you make this happen?

When you're engaging in PUA you're becoming a pure cold call sales type. Of course you can improve but you're fighting a losing battle against those who are naturally aspirated towards this line of work. There's better ways to get laid, like networking and building a reputation, rather then relying on some pseudo-science psychological concepts. At least the former ideas allow you to take advantage of time and work on a strategy. This is why you seem dumb douchebags who still manage to get around despite the lack of tongue prowess, because they set up a reputation, have a phone book, and can monopolise.

No I didn't get laid, is that what this discussion is about, if you can sex close a girl in one day just because you read a book ?

Or is it about meeting more women and getting more solid turn outs than you would have not having read the book ?


I didn't even know these people man, right when you enter the club who said meeting guys was a bad thing. If your energy is slightly higher than theres you naturally bring them up, through the way you move, talk, and throw in false time constraints.

Then you meet a group of guys who are just having fun and you lead their energy. Get them n sync to do chants and shouts etc, mainly lots of hand waving. I tried to get people to jump tonight but they wouldnt.

I find that having a group of girls and guys works like magic, because the guys from the outside are drawn to the girls and then they make your energy bigger. Then you parade the girls around and soon you will see girls watching your circle. Have them pulled in and it just becomes a big fun fest lol. I suggest putting girls in the middle and spinning them around the crowd etc etc. But ya its all about having an energy level higher than the club, regardless if you are geeks etc, it draws people in namely girls.

lol i stopped reading at the asking your friends to make alot noise part.

re: the noise in a club stuff, you can see Tyler Durden demonstrating it here starting about 5:40. unlike others itt, i haven't dismissed all PUA stuff completely and am learning quite a bit from their forums, but this jumping up and down in a club stuff is just too juvenile for me. maybe if i was 17 y/o again - but even then i doubt it. i want to see some 5'5 asian/indian nerds do this is in a club and videotape the women laughing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5nV1...eature=related

See this is the kind of stuff that just makes me cringe. Is it really necessary to jump around and make noises like a monkey to get girls?

The (slightly racist haha) point about the indian or asian nerds tho was spot on (regardless of race). This stuff isnt helping. I dont see any inherent positivfe in teaching this. Someone who is already cool may be able to make this work, but someone who is not is not suddenly going to get the crowd going. So there is no benefit (apart for the amusement of the observers)

u guys are missing the underlying point, what was the woman attracted to, cuz it sure as hell wasn't me since she wasnt dancing until i had seemed like a fun guy

to each his own though, everyone always comes trying to find some way to get better at poker, get more women. Sure EVERYTHING isn't going to work with everyone like ya if your 30 (or look like an old man) of course this doesnt match ur image but you shouldnt be in the club in the 1st place (hence majority of the crowd is mid 20's) u should be picking up on the street.

The **** you do in PUA needs to be congruent with who you are its the same in poker, your lines need to be congruent with ur perceived range etc etc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are not doing that crazy stuff to attract women. They are doing it to learn to not give a damn.

Wow. That is the most pathetic thing I have seen in a long time. First, you'd be asked to stop at 99% of bars / clubs by the bouncer. At about 50% they wouldn't even ask you to stop they would just kick you out. Anyone who watches that and doesn't realize that Tyler Durden is either ****ing with his customers or is more socially incompetent than they are is a lost cause. My G-d that way horrible.