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Old 02-16-2009, 04:19 PM   #1
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Let's Talk Watches

Previous Thread: "Let's talk non-Rolex watches.

Please feel free to continue discussions of watches here. As we discovered toward the end of the last thread, there are some really nice Rolexes, so they're a fine topic here as well.

A few notes, from the last thread:

1) Please don't devolve the discussion in to one about the possible shallowness of potential watch buyers. Much of the discussion will be amongst well-to-do people considering buying expensive watches - whatever their reasons are, it's their decision, and they are aware they could buy something else cheaper if all they wanted to do was tell time.

2) With that in mind, almost everyone agrees, loudly, that you should not be buying watches for their investment potential. It's a bad idea.

The standard for watch content on the internet is timezone.com, which is full of great information.

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Old 02-16-2009, 04:38 PM   #2
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This is a discussion amongst well-to-do people considering buying expensive watches
we can talk about cheap watches too! It's a discussion about interesting watches IMO.
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:45 PM   #3
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1) Please don't devolve the discussion in to one about the possible shallowness of potential watch buyers. This is a discussion amongst well-to-do people considering buying expensive watches - whatever their reasons are, it's their decision, and they are aware they could buy something else cheaper if all they wanted to do was tell time.
Really needed to be said, thanks
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:07 PM   #4
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Re: Let's Talk Watches

How does this work, do I just post pic of watch?


Brand Swiss Watch International
Style A9258.S.BL.S/BRS
Case Stainless steel
Dial Color Blue Guilloche dial with luminous hands and roman numerals
Bracelet Stainless steel
Clasp Type Safety fold over clasp with push buttons
Subdials 60 second, 30 minute and 12 hour
Calendar Day and date display at 3:00
Movement Swiss made chronograph automatic ETA 7750, 25 Jewels
Crystal Sapphire
Water Resistant 200 Meters
Case Diameter 45 mm
Case Thickness 15 mm
Bracelet Width 20 mm
Bracelet Length 9.5 inches
Series Limited Edition
Style Chronograph
Size Men's
Crown Screw down
Bezel Function Unidirectional rotating bezel with 60 minute scale
Tachymeter Inner dial
Case Back Fully skeletonized back with sapphire crystal
Bezel Material Brushed stainless steel
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:55 PM   #5
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i know nothing about SWI, but Breitling has a model that's almost identical...and it uses the same valjoux 7750 movement also...the SuperOcean chrono. the B is COSC certified.

the B's dial is less cluttered imo...can't believe i just said that about a breitling

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Old 02-16-2009, 06:08 PM   #6
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Yeah that pic I posted does looked clutter but when looking at actual watch it doesnt seem as bad, btw can anyone explain why the watchmaker added 5 10 15 then skipped to 30 on the outer part.
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:19 PM   #7
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a guy i know had this on yesterday at a poker game.



at least i think it was this one. He's a serious collector with a LOT of money. He said it was 55k

i'm just not that into rolex though. This has to be like THE top of the line and it didn't do much for me. It's pretty nice, but not like 50k nice- get a clue dude!
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:27 PM   #8
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Re: Let's Talk Watches

willie,

that watch is pretty hideous, imo. i'm not even a fan of that series of rolexes without the (not as ridiculous as many other diamond encrustings but still pretty ridiculous) diamond encrusting. i don't really know if it's fair to call such a thing "top of the line."

pvn,

well put. i will edit the op to clarify.
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:40 PM   #9
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Yeah that pic I posted does looked clutter but when looking at actual watch it doesnt seem as bad, btw can anyone explain why the watchmaker added 5 10 15 then skipped to 30 on the outer part.
i'm assuming that the idea is that people might want to time o 5, 10, 15, 30, 45, and 60 seconds, but that there are far fewer reasons to want to time to 20, 25, 35, 40, 50, 55 seconds?
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:06 PM   #10
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Re: Let's Talk Watches

Thanks for starting this thread. I've missed the actual watch-talk that no longer exists in the former forum.

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The standard for watch content on the internet is timezone.com, which is full of great information.
I would also like to add watchuseek.com for good watch content, but, like timezone, these guys are serious watch-geeks, and proudly so. Amazing amount of information and lots of folks eager to answer any brand-, type-, movement-, etc.-questions.

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we can talk about cheap watches too! It's a discussion about interesting watches IMO.
I totally agree. Ever sine I got bitten by the watch bug last fall, and then got my two nice watches from Santa, I am interested in all things watches and read the forums on watchuseek and the other sites daily.

So, as a point of discussion, let me ask why Casio G-Shock in general, and Frogman watches in particular, are so popular and have a great cult following? I love the Frogman watches. Just wish they had atomic timekeeping. If I wouldn't feel guilty about not wearing my Omega, I'd have a Frogman as my everyday watch.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:11 PM   #11
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this is like the serious ****

worn one of these for about 15 years now



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Old 02-16-2009, 07:48 PM   #12
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So, as a point of discussion, let me ask why Casio G-Shock in general, and Frogman watches in particular, are so popular and have a great cult following?
Super cheap beaters that have proven to be durable and have a sick value, pretty simple I think.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:52 PM   #13
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I remember that last thread, glad another is around.


Fwiw, and to say this early, diamond encrusted hunks of precious metal are not in any way the standard, and far from the ne plus ultra of timepeices.

It should be noted, that the manufacture far ahead of all others, patek phillippe, rarely mounts visible diamonds, as the emphasis is intended to be upon workmanship and effort.

The patek Nautilus series is perfection for the sport watch niche.
The most popular versions, which were great investments for those of use who payed attention, were in STAINLESS STEEL. It sells like sick.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!!!

It does not matter what a timepiece was made out of for the purist, it is a matter of complication and aesthetic fit.


I just dont want to see another diamond covered hunk of **** passed off as a timepiece meant to do anything other than trap the vain and rich into hollow pruchases they will never properly respect.

Look at this and count the diamonds...it costs 310,000 dollars and the tourbillon isn't even visible: http://www.gemnation.com/base?proces...&watch_id=1465

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I have still to see the REAL value of a tourbillion. For the money (if I had it to spend) I'd rather the minute repeater.

Thanks for starting a new thread.

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Old 02-16-2009, 08:29 PM   #15
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this is like the serious ****

worn one of these for about 15 years now



http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...xt%3Ecasio.htm
Seriously old school.
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Super cheap beaters that have proven to be durable and have a sick value, pretty simple I think.
Yes, but why do they have this sick value? Is it the durability? Cost? Design? It's probably a combination of all three, but I'm especially intrigued by the design factor. It's amazing to me the sheer number of different designs/models of watches throughout the world. And if you go through a Casio catalog there must be close to a thousand different watches available.

I guess I'm just intrigued at how a (relatively) cheap, durable, multi-featured (solar, atomic timekeeping, timers, alarms, altimeter, thermometer, barometer, compass, tide/moon graphs, etc.) plastic (for the most part, I realize that Casio makes a lot of models in metal) can be so popular, and have a following of fans that buy numerous watches that are all fairly similar.

Maybe I'm answering my own question here. After all it is easier for the average person to own multiple Casios than it is to own multiple Rolex, or JLC, or PP.

I guess I'm still hung up on the utilitarian purpose of a watch. As some one said in the last thread, if watches were only about utility we'd all be wearing a $25 Timex (or maybe a $20 Casio.)
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Yeah that pic I posted does looked clutter but when looking at actual watch it doesnt seem as bad, btw can anyone explain why the watchmaker added 5 10 15 then skipped to 30 on the outer part.
i'm not a big diving expert but just from recognizing them through the various brands i'm familiar with...it probably has something to do with measurement for diving. most the lines catered to deep sea diving have them...iwc aquatimer, panerai submersible etc. just a guess tho i could be way off



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Old 02-16-2009, 10:22 PM   #18
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i'm not a big diving expert but just from recognizing them through the various brands i'm familiar with...it probably has something to do with measurement for diving. most the lines catered to deep sea diving have them...iwc aquatimer, panerai submersible etc. just a guess tho i could be way off



lol wat, wow Im a retard I bought the watch because I like it. I had no idea it was suppose to be used for diving lol.

WOW IM A RETARD
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Yes, but why do they have this sick value? Is it the durability? Cost? Design? It's probably a combination of all three, but I'm especially intrigued by the design factor. It's amazing to me the sheer number of different designs/models of watches throughout the world. And if you go through a Casio catalog there must be close to a thousand different watches available.

I guess I'm just intrigued at how a (relatively) cheap, durable, multi-featured (solar, atomic timekeeping, timers, alarms, altimeter, thermometer, barometer, compass, tide/moon graphs, etc.) plastic (for the most part, I realize that Casio makes a lot of models in metal) can be so popular, and have a following of fans that buy numerous watches that are all fairly similar.

Maybe I'm answering my own question here. After all it is easier for the average person to own multiple Casios than it is to own multiple Rolex, or JLC, or PP.

I guess I'm still hung up on the utilitarian purpose of a watch. As some one said in the last thread, if watches were only about utility we'd all be wearing a $25 Timex (or maybe a $20 Casio.)
Of all the Casio/Timex/etc digital watches, only a select few have that cult following. As stated before, they just have that combo of style/utility/design/value that people have loved. I still have my Timex Ironman with Indiglo. It worked, was easy to use, looked decent, and was a watch I enjoyed wearing. Probably ran me $40 tops.
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i might be wrong about the exact model, the base point though was that rolex does not fire me up as a brand like something that is luxury should.

I'm pretty sure it was a better model now that i look again, the guy would not hype the price to make himself feel better.


i owe it to the last thread that i learned more about watches and how many of the commercial luxury brands are exactly akin to luxury cars that are overpriced performance wise.

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i'm not a big diving expert but just from recognizing them through the various brands i'm familiar with...it probably has something to do with measurement for diving. most the lines catered to deep sea diving have them...iwc aquatimer, panerai submersible etc. just a guess tho i could be way off
Yep, "countdown marks," for surface ascent timing. I don't think they're actually ISO standard for a dive watch, but more just made really popular by the Submariner.
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i'm just not that into rolex though. This has to be like THE top of the line and it didn't do much for me. It's pretty nice, but not like 50k nice- get a clue dude!
Day-date is pricey (you can't get a stainless steel DD; gold or platinum only IMO), and it's definitely not marketed at YOU. They're marketed at old fogeys with lots of money.

PS: saying "not like 50k nice" is basically the same as saying the purchase is shallow.

Personally, when I see a DD, I just assume it's fake unless I know the guy.
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So, as a point of discussion, let me ask why Casio G-Shock in general, and Frogman watches in particular, are so popular and have a great cult following? I love the Frogman watches. Just wish they had atomic timekeeping. If I wouldn't feel guilty about not wearing my Omega, I'd have a Frogman as my everyday watch.
The frogman cult is crazy IMO. I mean, it's a nice watch in its own way, but the prices some of those pieces fetch are crazy. It's sort of like beanie babies, there's no explanation.
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this is like the serious ****

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Sweet.

Interested in an update for the 21st century?



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PS: xPros, if you're still interested in the Tuna, you should probably grab one now. Seiko is discontinuing it. Supposedly, the replacement (due later this year) will be significantly more expensive.
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