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09-30-2009 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Ok cool thanks. By the way, if I have to fly with it, how do you recommend I bring it onboard the plane?

This is kind of a gift to a friend of mine.


it'll be fine if you have it in the hold of the plane. Just be sure to bubble wrap the bejesus out of it
09-30-2009 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KDawg
normally I'd agree, but I noticed that it was at least a mag(I think a double mag), so that'd be some serious drinking to go with the steaks


yea, all the zins blow on the list. I'm not normally a fan of the varietal to begin with, and that list wouldn't really be much fun for anyone. If there was something like Carlisle on it(though, they barely get outside of california, more less the rest of america or europe) I'd fully say give it a go to have something that represents a very modern style of wine making(though be ready for a lot of heat and big jammy fruit)
Didn't notice the Double Mag - whoops!

Sidenote on Zins: If you can find it, I highly, HIGHLY, recommend finding a bottle of Robert Craig Zinfandel Howell Mtn. It is, truly, an unbelievable Zinfandel (to be fair, I've never gone crazy for Zins, so I'm sure there are others that I haven't tasted).

If you can find it, get it.
09-30-2009 , 04:26 PM
Sadie Family Palladius - anybody try it?

I'm usually not much of a fan of South Afircan wines, but I've heard nothing but great things about this and have the option to pick up a case of the 2002 for super cheap.
09-30-2009 , 04:27 PM
Thanks guys, you are are awesome.

One other question for myself. My dream wine that I want to taste is a Chateau D'yquem sauterne. I know the 2001 is a very famous vintage and almost impossible to get, but out of the other vintages after that, which are good from a price vs quality perspective?
09-30-2009 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cancuk
Sadie Family Palladius - anybody try it?

I'm usually not much of a fan of South Afircan wines, but I've heard nothing but great things about this and have the option to pick up a case of the 2002 for super cheap.


that's their white right? I haven't had a Sadie Family, but also have heard nothing but good things about them. Probably be worth a go IMO
09-30-2009 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Thanks guys, you are are awesome.

One other question for myself. My dream wine that I want to taste is a Chateau D'yquem sauterne. I know the 2001 is a very famous vintage and almost impossible to get, but out of the other vintages after that, which are good from a price vs quality perspective?


my advice would be to get one from a 1/2 bottle. There's more then enough to drink of sauternes in a 1/2 bottle. If you want to know what a young D'Yquem is like at a "decent" D'Yquem price, you can find the 99 or 95 and they're really good. If you want an older one, an 83, 76, and 75 aren't too ridiculous in price if you want a once in a lifetime type thing.

The 01 is a dream wine of mine and I want to own a couple 1/2 bottles and pop one for milestone birthdays, and also have one for any child that I may have as it will certainly outlive me(and I'm only 29)
09-30-2009 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KDawg
that's their white right? I haven't had a Sadie Family, but also have heard nothing but good things about them. Probably be worth a go IMO
Ya, it's the white. I will probably end up getting it.

Everybody says the same thing, "heard nothing but great things - haven't tried it"

Some other things that I might pick up because the price is good (would appreciate anybody's comments):

Signorello Padrone 2001
Aldo Conterno Il Favot 1998
Donatella Brunello Riserva 2001
Quinta do Crasto Touriga 2001
09-30-2009 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KDawg
go with the krug. The taittinger comtes de champagne has blown up in price in recent vintages, and that's too much to pay for the billecart-salmon IMO
+1. Besides 1998 is no spectacular year. Tho I think its better for Chardonnay than for Pinot Noir/Menuier so the Blanc de Blancs are prolly ok.

But keep in mind the 3 Champagnes represent two very different expressions of Champagne. While I will certainly agree the Krug is the better buy of the 3 I will def take the BC or the Taittinger when in the mood for that smooth and very fresh style of Champagne.

Its imo quite unfair to compare the 3. Dont hesitate serving the Krug with chicken or other light poultry or even some pork dishes. The BC and Taittinger cant match such powerfull dishes.

Last edited by Oink; 09-30-2009 at 05:21 PM.
09-30-2009 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KDawg
my advice would be to get one from a 1/2 bottle. There's more then enough to drink of sauternes in a 1/2 bottle. If you want to know what a young D'Yquem is like at a "decent" D'Yquem price, you can find the 99 or 95 and they're really good. If you want an older one, an 83, 76, and 75 aren't too ridiculous in price if you want a once in a lifetime type thing.

The 01 is a dream wine of mine and I want to own a couple 1/2 bottles and pop one for milestone birthdays, and also have one for any child that I may have as it will certainly outlive me(and I'm only 29)
How much would you say is a reasonable price for the 2001? I found a place here in Copenhagen where they sell a normal bottle for $900 and half a bottle for 590. Too steep? The 1999 they sell for $340 (normal bottle). Seems like a much better buy, or?
09-30-2009 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Oink
How much would you say is a reasonable price for the 2001? I found a place here in Copenhagen where they sell a normal bottle for $900 and half a bottle for 590. Too steep? The 1999 they sell for $340 (normal bottle). Seems like a much better buy, or?
$900 is really steep. The 1999 is a much better deal, but still over priced compared to US prices ($200 - $250ish).

But, with that said, lots of competition in the US = lots of great deals. Up here in Vancouver, the 2001 (if you could find it), would be around the same price, if not more.
09-30-2009 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cancuk
Ya, it's the white. I will probably end up getting it.

Everybody says the same thing, "heard nothing but great things - haven't tried it"

Some other things that I might pick up because the price is good (would appreciate anybody's comments):

Signorello Padrone 2001
Aldo Conterno Il Favot 1998
Donatella Brunello Riserva 2001
Quinta do Crasto Touriga 2001
obviously, you won't be able to go wrong with the aldo conterno and the do Crasto. My feeling is that we rarely regret purchases, but regret the purchases we didn't make.

Obviously the Donatella will need another 5-8 years, but I did love the normale about a year or so ago, so I can only imagine that the riserva from 01 will be much better

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Originally Posted by Oink
How much would you say is a reasonable price for the 2001? I found a place here in Copenhagen where they sell a normal bottle for $900 and half a bottle for 590. Too steep? The 1999 they sell for $340 (normal bottle). Seems like a much better buy, or?

oink is this in dkr, or full american dollars. Are you also looking at 1/2 bottles or full bottles?

the 01 in the US can generally be found for between 500-750 per 750 and 350-450 per 375. It was about $400 per 750 on release, but that shot up real fast after it got the famed double perfect(when wines get 100 from both parker and spectator) and it got a massive score from tanzer too. The thing is, if one is patient and young, IMO its worth the investment to drop 2-3k on several 1/2 bottles to lay down for the future.

I know its a very good chunk of change and a lot of stuff can be bought for that, but I don't think that moments and that many things in life can bring what a fully mature d'Yquem can bring, and especially one that is on a different level then even the famed 67 and other previous amazing d'Yquems.

I've had every first growth several times, and they are special, but, there just isn't anything like d'Yquem
10-01-2009 , 07:38 AM
KDawg

It was USD. To be clear

2001 .75L: $900

2001 .375L: $590

1999: .75L: $340


The only d'Yqems I ever had was a good bottle of 1980 and half a bottle of 2004(I think). The 1980 was massive and one of the best wine experiences I ever had despite it being a mediocre year (so I was told). The young 2004 was just plain vulgar.

But I am not a big fan of Sauternes. I will take an Auslese from a good producer in Alsace or Germany any day over a young d'Yquem. After tasting 1999 Auslese from Egon Müller I rly dont care for Sauternes no more - well except maybe for d'Yquem
10-01-2009 , 07:47 AM
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obviously, you won't be able to go wrong with the aldo conterno and the do Crasto. My feeling is that we rarely regret purchases, but regret the purchases we didn't make.
Funny you mention that because Aldo Conterno is one of the producers in Barolo where I have the note: Always taste before you buy. Just because PP/WS liked it dont mean its good!

I havent tried the specific 1998 Il Favot but loads of other stuff from him and while he is one of my fave producers I have to say the quality, even of his mono cru Barolo's, suffers from quite a bit of variance. The only ones of his wines which I have always found consistently well made are the Granbussia's.

Aldo Conterno and Bruno Giacosa are the PLO's of Barolo imo. It can be sick sick good and ever so disapointing
10-01-2009 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Oink
KDawg

It was USD. To be clear

2001 .75L: $900

2001 .375L: $590

1999: .75L: $340


The only d'Yqems I ever had was a good bottle of 1980 and half a bottle of 2004(I think). The 1980 was massive and one of the best wine experiences I ever had despite it being a mediocre year (so I was told). The young 2004 was just plain vulgar.

But I am not a big fan of Sauternes. I will take an Auslese from a good producer in Alsace or Germany any day over a young d'Yquem. After tasting 1999 Auslese from Egon Müller I rly dont care for Sauternes no more - well except maybe for d'Yquem


gotcha, at those prices, I wouldn't bother with the 01, at least, I wouldn't bother sourcing in Denmark(there's always ways around these sorts of thing)


its all about catching them right. Its interesting that you noted the 04 as that was the first Lurton vintage after the Saluces family fully left d'Yquem. It may be worth trying an 02(03 is a very controversial vintage) and comparing it to the 04 since there would've possibly been a style change(I know that the selection for 04 was very draconian as Pierre Lurton really wanted to make a stamp on the product with it being his first full vintage for them)


for the most part, I love sauternes. Its hard to compare them to Ausleses as they are very different. The ones IMO to look for are the ones with at least 10 years on them, but preferably 20+. It really does make a difference
10-01-2009 , 11:02 AM
how is $160 for a 1/2 bottle of the 1999? a bit steep right?
10-01-2009 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
how is $160 for a 1/2 bottle of the 1999? a bit steep right?
a slight bit, my store sells it for 125. IIRC, you're from texas, there are a lot of stores that will ship to texas, its worth checking out what stores from around the country charge. Check out wine-searcher.com as normally I encourage people to buy from their local stores, but when you want something special, one has to use all the tools possible to get that bottle that they really want
10-02-2009 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KDawg
obviously, you won't be able to go wrong with the aldo conterno and the do Crasto. My feeling is that we rarely regret purchases, but regret the purchases we didn't make.

Obviously the Donatella will need another 5-8 years, but I did love the normale about a year or so ago, so I can only imagine that the riserva from 01 will be much better




oink is this in dkr, or full american dollars. Are you also looking at 1/2 bottles or full bottles?

the 01 in the US can generally be found for between 500-750 per 750 and 350-450 per 375. It was about $400 per 750 on release, but that shot up real fast after it got the famed double perfect(when wines get 100 from both parker and spectator) and it got a massive score from tanzer too. The thing is, if one is patient and young, IMO its worth the investment to drop 2-3k on several 1/2 bottles to lay down for the future.

I know its a very good chunk of change and a lot of stuff can be bought for that, but I don't think that moments and that many things in life can bring what a fully mature d'Yquem can bring, and especially one that is on a different level then even the famed 67 and other previous amazing d'Yquems.

I've had every first growth several times, and they are special, but, there just isn't anything like d'Yquem
This may be one of the problems with our current economic climate.
10-13-2009 , 04:46 AM
Just finished Canadian thanksgiving. Larger family thing, so we didn't break out anything crazy, but did have a couple nice rieslings.

Notes are short and all from memory.

1999 Jakoby-Mathy Riesling Kabinett - This recently hit the shelves and was brought in straight from the winery. Brought in cheap ($25 CND on the shelf.. which is a really good deal for something like this up here). A little past it's prime, especially on the palate where the acidity and mid-palate dropped off a bit... But, that petrol filled, mature honey nose that you find off of aged rieslings kills me every time. Possibly my favourite smell in the world. Definitely top 10. (not this specific wine, just aged rieslings in general)

2005 Rudi Pichler Riesling Federspiel - Great value Austrian riesling that I picked up. I really don't know anything about Austrian wines and how they grade them, but I believe "Federspiel" is similar to Kabinett. Or so I was told. Very approachable. Lots of fruit, but balanced with strong acidity. Will definitely have to look into his higher-end Gruner's and Rieslings, but this was a steal if you can find it.
10-13-2009 , 03:18 PM
finally finished up my notes for the monte bello vertical I was at last tuesday. It was fairly comprehensive, we were gonna have the 85 and 95 involved, but one of the guys had to go to hong kong on business shortly before the Vertical, so unfortunetly we didn't get a chance to taste those(especially the 85). It also would've been great to have the 84 involved, but since Paul Draper has been making Monte Bello since 64, there were going to be vintages missing naturally

I'm extremely happy to have been involved in it. Monte Bello is such an icon for california cabernet/bordeaux blends and has shown itself to be a true Vin de Garde that can age like bordeaux, but still be very much from california.

onto the notes:

RIDGE MONTE BELLO VERTICAL 72-03 - Ken's house, northbrook IL (10/6/2009)

12 of us gathered at Ken's to have a good look at what Ridge Monte Bello is about and to get a real feel for the wine. Ken was also gracious in opening up the blind welcome whites

We divided the wines into two 7 wine flights with the first flight being focused on older wines and the second flight being focused on the younger wines
Opening Whites
Ken provided these to us Blind. We were told that they were from the same vintage and same vineyard, but nothing more then that
  • 2001 Kistler Chardonnay Camp Meeting Ridge - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast
    nose: big and rich nose filled with tones of lemon meringue, all sorts of cream tones, tropical citrus, oranges, and a good bit of buttered toast. Fills up the glass right away, and fully comes off as a california chardonnay

    taste: full bodied with a creamy and rich feel and well defined tones of creams, tropical citrus', oranges, buttered toast and a touch of marmalade. Really good depth to go with the big and creamy feel that is big and is a bit of a heavyweight boxer

    overall: this was the first of two blind whites from the same vintage and vineyard. It had a nice and rich golden color and came across as in its full drinking window. Big and rich, I was thinking kistler when I smelled and tasted it as it just had that feel that kistler brings to their chards (93 pts.)
  • 2001 Flowers Chardonnay Camp Meeting Ridge - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast
    nose: much lighter nose then blindA with really good tones of white florals, honeysuckle, a good amount of fresh picked lemons, and some bits of meringue. Very nice depth with a real verve about it that makes it engaging

    taste: really good medium feel with crisp medium acidity along with tones of white fruits, white florals, honeysuckle, and a good bit of fresh picked lemons. Good definition on the palate and comes off almost as having a burgundian sense to it

    overall: a real nice reveal for this. Seems like it can age further and add some extra complexity. It certainly presented a very different take from the Kistler and I really enjoyed the style that this went about as its very food friendly and can be drunk on its own at the same time (91 pts.)
Flight 1- older vintages
This flight was a whole lot of fun. It was unfortunate that the 74 was corked. What made it extremely frustrating as there was some good fruit that was underneath the corked smell, but, it was hard to get over that and it just wouldn't blow off.

Outside of the 74, I thought everything showed very well and was generally impressed by the wines. I didn't really have any expectations as I just wanted to let the wines come to me. These wines were all about expressing the terroir and vintages, which made them a real treat
  • 1972 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: real lovely and perfumed nose filled with black currants, cedar, tobacco, dark red cherries and bits of red florals. Excellent depth and is very expressive and elegant as it just wafts out of the glass

    taste: great classy and polished medium feel. Tannins are fully resolved with great medium acidity along with tones of sour cranberries, bits of cedar, menthol, dark red cherries and some real tasty tones of black currants

    overall: the color on this was absolutely stunning. There wasn't too much bricking and it had a lovely garnet hue in the glass. This has more then kept itself together over the ensuing decades and comes off as having plenty of legs left. A very elegant wine that also brought about a great finish. (my 2, the group's 5) (93 pts.)
  • 1974 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    sadly the wine was corked. there was really good tones of red cherries, cedar and a bit of menthol, but the wet cardboard just stayed there and wouldn't blow off. drat. (my 7, the group's 7) NR (flawed)
  • 1988 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: polished with really good depth providing tones of bell peppers, bits of dill, menthol, cedar, dark berries and a touch of perfumes make their way out of the glass. There is a real elegance on the nose and comes off very polished with a bit of a feminine touch to it

    taste: the nose was holding back a bit, and had a nuanced style to it, but this was where it seemed to come alive. Seamless medium feel with plush and silky tones of bell pepper, cedar, some menthol tones, along with dark and sour berries

    overall: Good tannins still support this wine, which was almost like night and day from the 72 and 74 where the tannins were fully resolved. Very elegant with a nuanced style to it, this was a real joy on the palate. It didn't necessarily explode on the palate, but instead really seemed to wake up and caress the palate. (my 3, group 4) (93 pts.)
  • 1989 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: very pure and hi-toned nose with lifting aromas of red currants, red cherries, red florals, mixed berries, and a nice touch of menthol and cedary tones. Very good depth that is expressive and has a feminine sense to it

    taste: very well balanced with a almost delicate feminine medium feel and good medium acidity with tones of cedar, tobacco, red currants, red cherries and a good amount of mixed berries

    overall: my no5, the group's 6. I found this to be a real lovely monte bello. Certainly won't blow you away and it wasn't as deep as the 72, but the perfumed quality of this one was very attractive and almost sensual. This had a refined sense to it that I enjoyed and would love to try again (91 pts.)
  • 1990 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: beautiful and rich nose that really opens up in the glass with really good depth and tones of dark red cherries, red currants, black currants, tobacco, cedar, some bits of menthol and a touch of hi-toned berries. Very classy with a perfumed quality to it that is enveloping

    taste: lush medium/full feel with really good tannins along with deep tones of dark red cherries, red currants, tobacco, cedar, and some hints of minty tones. Hi-toned and rich at teh same time, this just flows well across the palate, but seems to hold back a slight bit right now

    overall: my no4, the group's no3. Comes off as just starting to enter maturity, there seems to be a real serious wine that can emerge with a bit more time as some nuances need to emerge with time that are just hiding in there. This certainly has a long distance runner written all over it (93 pts.)
  • 1991 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: extremely pure and beautifully deep nose that fills up the glass with enveloping tones of black and red currants, menthol, loads of dark red cherries, cedar, all sorts of berry tones, and some bits of green peppers. The purity of this nose is very sumptuous and heady at the same time with layers of tones

    taste: silky with a lot of polish and very well layered medium/full tones of black and red currants, bits of dill and menthol, a bucketful of dark red cherries, cedar and lots of berry tones. Silky tannins accompany this and aid to the great purity on the palate too

    overall: my no1, the group's no1. This wine was a thing of real beauty and is very sumptuous. Well layered that is extremely pure at the same time. This wine seems a bit more resolved and drinking better then the 90, but there is also no reason to think that this won't stay at this level for a while as the tannins support the wine extremely well along with some good acidity (95 pts.)
  • 1992 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: lovely restrained and classy nose with pretty tones of black currants, cedar, bits of tobacco, black cherries, and some tones of perfumes. This was coming off rather tight for me and just didn't seem to want to give it a full go

    taste: classy medium/full feel with good tannins. Lovely tones of cedar, menthol, tobacco, black cherries and bits of dark berries blend well together. Comes off as understated on the palate with really good depth and medium+ acidity

    overall: my no6, group's no2. To me this just didn't seem fully ready for primetime, or at least it wasn't giving me its all in the glass. Following up the 91 was a hard act to follow and this was rather taught for me in both the glass and on the palate. It needs a real good decant or more time sideways as the color on it wasn't really showing much age to it, and there was certainly no way to guess that this was about to turn 17 years old if the vintage wasn't known (91 pts.)
Flight 2- Newer Vintages
This flight continued the run of straight vintages that we had from 88-94 and then having the 96 right after that. This flight showed itself to come across as fairly modern, but there was a sense that these wines may be too young in a sense. The 94 was an absolute stunner for me and its a marathon runner of a wine that will provide lots of enjoyment for a wide variety of wine drinkers

The wines were more similar in a way during this flight, but some of that may also be due to the youth of the wines
  • 1993 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: excellent depth and well balanced tones of bell peppers, menthol, mint, dark red cherries, currants, cedar, and fresh dill tones. While it sounds very vegeta and greenl, it didn't really come off that way, but more well in balance with a good dark red cherry core and the other tones supporting it

    taste: lovely and elegant medium/full feel with good medium acidity along with tones of menthol, dark red cherries, currants, bits of dark berries, a touch of bell peppers, and bits of fresh picked herbs that sneak in on the back end. Good supporting tannins give this a real nice base right now

    overall: my no5, the group's no5. a quality monte bello. While it may sound very vegetal, it wasn't as pronounced as the notes may sound. Well balanced and pretty, this had a freshness to it while also coming off as fully drinking at this time, but can certainly go longer (91 pts.)
  • 1994 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: what a deep and expressive nose, that is extremely pure with layered and heady tones of red cherries, mixed red berries, red currants, red fruits, menthol tones, along with a touch of chocolate. A very succulent nose that has a perfumed quality to it along with a great red fruit base

    taste: extremely polished and silky medium/full feel with good tannins and medium acidity. Delicious tones of red fruits, menthol, red cherries, mixed red berries, red currants and a touch of cedar with some hints of tobacco

    overall: my no1, group's no1 and my wotn overall. This comes off as still working itself out, but, is a real show stopper of a wine right now. It has the tannins for aging, and shows a bit of ripeness to it, but has the backbone to age like the wines from the first flight. Will be interesting to drink in about 5 years to really see if there's been a change of style, if its the vintage, or just how we caught it as it certainly presented a different take on MB then had been tasted previous (95 pts.)
  • 1996 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: real nice cedary backdrop on the nose with bits of violets, dark red cherries, menthol, spice tones, currants and a touch of herbs. Pretty and demure that is almost like a barolo, but is cabernet based, which makes for a real intriguing nose that is really fun to smell

    taste: lovely and well balanced medium/full feel that comes off rather nuanced in a way with pretty tones of cedar, dark red cherries, menthol tones, bits of spice and some tones of berries. Excellent depth with really fresh medium+ acidity to it

    overall: my no3, group4. this comes off as needing a good bit more time as there is a nuanced aspect to it that will need good aging to let it fully emerge. This doesn't come off as a Monte Bello that will blow you away with great layering and purity like the 91 or 94, but instead it has a searching aspect to it that demands attention and a small group with it as it has a story to tell (93 pts.)
  • 1999 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: very pretty and elegant nose filled with tones of cedar, herbs, dark red cherries, cranberries and bits of menthol and chocolate. Has a st julien sense to it on the nose while still being discernibly californian. Excellent depth and expression on the nose, there is a very classy edge to it

    taste: silky and rich tannins show off the youth of the wine with an elegant medium/full feel and medium+ acidity. Well balanced tones of dark berries, cedar, herbs, dark red cherries and a touch of chocolate all meld well together with a real classy sense

    overall: my no4, the group's no3. I really like where this is at its young age. A slight bit more plush then the older wines, but that could be due to the age of the older wines. Still comes off as needing a good bit more time as there is a real elegance to the wine that aging will really bring out (92 pts.)
  • 2000 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: fairly evolved nose with tones of dill, anisette, dark red cherries, tobacco leaf, and a good amount of menthol tones. Good nose, but its almost comes off as monte bello-lite. It doesn't have the depth that other vintages have had and it seems fully at its peak, and is showing itself to be extremely mature at what should be a young age

    taste: very good medium feel that comes off as fairly well evolved with tones of herbs, dill, dark red cherries and a good amount of menthol. Has nice weight on the palate, but the finish is rather clipped and doesn't really have the depth and expression that other MBs have brought in the vertical

    overall: my no7, group's no 7. This just falls short for me. Its almost a mini-monte bello if you will. It just doesn't have the expression that the others have had to make up for not having the screaming depth that some of the better ones have had, and is very shot on the finish. THe nose almost came off as too evolved for a wine of this age, even considering the vintage as two of the older monte bellos were from difficult vintages. Sometimes mother nature doesn't give the best to work with, and that came off a bit here (88 pts.)
  • 2001 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: extremely lovely and perfumed nose that has a real hi-toned quality to it that makes it ever so attractive with plush and round tones of dark red cherries, sour cranberries, dark berries, bits of black currant jam, and a touch of mint. There is a real rich and plush sense to this that comes with the higher merlot content, and the depth of this is sumptuous. Very young on the nose though too as its a bit tight at the same time

    taste: showing off its youth on the palate with great rich full bodied tones of black currant jam, mint, dark red cherries, and a bushel full of fresh picked berries. THe tones come off as plush and round with medium acidity to it

    overall: my no2, the group's no2. Overall for the group, this was a hair behind the 94 in this flight. For me this didn't have the full layering of the 94.........yet. It seems like a caterpillar that is just waiting in its cocoon and has a ton of class to it and is just so silky and classy that its hard not to like it. This has the ability to turn into a real beauty. Its hard to say what its aging curve will be as this possessed the highest merlot content of any of the wines, but it is an extremely attractive wine that will certainly be worth waiting a bit longer for (93 pts.)
  • 2003 Ridge Monte Bello - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains
    nose: very tight and sinewy nose with some edgy tones of black currants, cedar, dark red cherries, and sour cranberries with some liqueur tones added in. Shows off the heat of the vintage as it has a stewed-ish quality to it. It also has a hard edge to it that may need some time to work it out

    taste: full bodied with some hard tannins and tones of black currants, dark red cherries, sour cranberries, and liqueur tones with a bit of new oak on the back end

    overall: my no6, the group's no6. A bit hard and taught right now that is a bit unforgiving. Full bodied and a bit stewed on both the nose and palate, this shows off the vintage, but also comes across very youthful and can certainly use another 6-8 years to round out some of the hard parts of it and may then bloom into a more exotic monte bello (90 pts.)
Desert Flight
There was a semillon in this flight that I will have to add later

this was a fun capper as all three wines were served blind and it certainly made the flight more interesting. This was also my first experience with a Banyuls of this age and it was a real beautiful wine that I wish I could've spent more time with
  • 2001 Ridge Petite Sirah Essence - USA, California, Central Coast, Arroyo Seco
    nose: extremely bold and rich nose filled with raisins, dark chocolate, black cherries and really rich tones of black fruits. Really good depth that is extremely pungent the second you put the glass to the nose

    taste: big and powerful with a touch of heat letting your know its fortified. Bold and rich tones of dark chocolate, black cherries and a whole lot of bold black fruit tones fill out very well

    overall: a real delicious wine. Rich and bold this really shows itself off with a really good and long finish (92 pts.)
  • 1985 Domaine du Mas Blanc (Docteur Parcé) Banyuls Vieilles Vignes - France, Languedoc Roussillon, Roussillon, Banyuls
    nose: very interesting nose that is filled with dark red cherries, notes of warm caramel, and a good helping of sour berries. Excellent depth with some good layering that added a real nice dimension to the tones on the nose

    taste: excellent medium feel with good depth and well defined tones of brown sugar, dark red cherries, hot caramel, and berry tones. Good medium acidity still exists

    overall: this one threw me for a loop as it was blind. It had the look of a tawny port in the glass, but didn't smell like it at all. Outstanding tones on both the nose and palate with real good depth and a real good sense of itself (91 pts.)

A really great night. On the whole, the monte bellos showed really well. The 72 was a real revelation and all of the older wines could've easily fooled someone in a blind tasting regarding their age as they all had great coloring and one wouldn't be blamed for thinking that many of them were 5-10 years younger then they were.

There was some wondering if there was a change in style as we got more into the wines of the 90s, or if it was more due to the wines being younger in the second flight. There was certainly more of a "riper" style that seemed to emerge, but the majority of the vintages were from warmer vintages in the second flight

More then anything it provided a great learning experience and its not everyday that one gets a chance to try one of these iconic California wines in a Vertical like this that has an age range of 31 years. Needless to say, it was a real special experience and I'm extremely glad that I had the chance to take part in it
Posted from CellarTracker
10-13-2009 , 03:45 PM
dindnt reade anything from this, just want to remark that Portuguese whine is very good !! for ppl who like whine they should already know, if dont i must taste it !! Oporto is very popular, but is a special whine..we have regular whines very, but very very good !
10-14-2009 , 07:30 AM
Nice reading Kdawg. I would love to try some aged Montebello some day. Virtually impossible to come by here in Denmark


So its been a while but let me tell you guys how it went with my 72 oz steak and the American wine.

First of all the 72 oz steak turned out to be a 36 oz. Baaah! Second of all it was a Tbone cut, which I didnt know Porterhouse was, with the bone weighing in at least 5 or 6 prolly more oz. So that was a disapointment, but not the last

We started with the Cayuse. Honestly I forget which one it was. My friend refused to drink it after the first sip. Not because it was bad it was just extremely... shall we say special. Extremely smoked and loads of peppers and olives in the taste. On the back side of the pallate it was quite nice and very balanced, but overall a huge disapointment. I like my wines slim and well structured on the front of the pallate and then exploting on the back side.

Right next wine: 1997 Shafer Cabernet Sauvignon. Holy crap this was good. Still very fresh with ripe fruits. I dint take notes so I cant be more specific than this. But still a very young and very well structured wine. As I like it slim and well structured up front with ripe fruits and just exploting in the backside with all sorts of stuff from the terroir. Rly nice balance. By and far the best pure Cab Sauv I have ever had. Could easily do 10 years more in the cellar without getting too mature. Go USA!!

Third wine: 2002 Musigny Vieilles Vigne. This was my bad. Waaaay too young but we had the 2006 before we went at my wine pushers place which was quite nice and drinkable. The 2002 was shut down like an ol' virgin. Within the extremely tight structure you could def tell where it was coming from tho. Need at least 5 more years. Stupid me!

Fourth wine: 2001 L'Ermitat, Priorat. I had this before. Was too drunk at the time and couldnt rly tell anything except that I liked it. So just mentioning it here for brags.



In other news. The case of 2002 wines from DRC didnt fall in my lap after all . I called my wine pusher next morning to verify at which point he told me a Michelin starred resturant had put its big fat hand on the case at the importers. zxcvzbxcvnjbxzvc!!
10-14-2009 , 07:44 AM
Oh wait there is more.

I tried two Medium priced Pinot Noirs the other day which was quite interesting.

First one was 2007 Pinot Noir from Pittnauer in Austria. (I think it was 2007, either that or 2006). Nose was filled with rasberry and some citrus and orange shell. For a Pinot it had a medium body so overall a quite slim body. Fruits were predominantly rasberry but also some strawberry. Not a lot of tree from any oak so I doubt it gets much of that. On the back side you get some secondary stuff like the citrus and a bit of herbs. Drinks really well now.

The Austrian was a real crowdpleaser! Of my girlfriend and two friends they all prefered this one to the next one.

2007 Bourgogne, Domaine Dujac, Morey-St-Denis, Premier cru. Ripe rasberry and cherry in the nose. Plenty of chocolate and some vanilla(?) from the cask. Full bodied for a Pinot so medium bodied overall. Def a more modern expression of pinot with more concentration and more powerfull fruit but with a very nice structure from the oak, some would say a bit closed but I didnt mind it. Taste was dominated by ripe rasberries and not as much cherry. Plenty of chocalate on the back side but also some mokka. Hard to rly get past the chocolate. Overall a rly well made modern Pinot but needs time. Should be a crowdpleaser among those who dont mind the heavy oak treatment. I would stick it in the cellar and wait 3-5 years tho.
10-16-2009 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Oink
Nice reading Kdawg. I would love to try some aged Montebello some day. Virtually impossible to come by here in Denmark




We started with the Cayuse. Honestly I forget which one it was. My friend refused to drink it after the first sip. Not because it was bad it was just extremely... shall we say special. Extremely smoked and loads of peppers and olives in the taste. On the back side of the pallate it was quite nice and very balanced, but overall a huge disapointment. I like my wines slim and well structured on the front of the pallate and then exploting on the back side.

Right next wine: 1997 Shafer Cabernet Sauvignon. Holy crap this was good. Still very fresh with ripe fruits. I dint take notes so I cant be more specific than this. But still a very young and very well structured wine. As I like it slim and well structured up front with ripe fruits and just exploting in the backside with all sorts of stuff from the terroir. Rly nice balance. By and far the best pure Cab Sauv I have ever had. Could easily do 10 years more in the cellar without getting too mature. Go USA!!


I'm glad at least one of them worked out for you. Sounds like it just didn't match your style of wine, which is always something hard to predict

HSS can age very well too, but the cool thing about them is that they're relatively accessible young too, but they develop like the 97 you had and develop for years. A friend was at a vertical a couple years ago when they had the 78, which is impossible to find, and he said it was utterly spectacular.


The montebello tasting was a blast. Here in the states we don't come across that much monte bello that is as old as the 72 and 74. I was lucky that many of the guys in the tasting have been buying monte bello for a very long time, and some of them have been drinking monte bello since the 70s. it was amusing when they were going around the table asking what we were doing in 72, and I was years away from being born
10-19-2009 , 02:08 PM
Hey KDawg --

Shifting down the price spectrum for a second, have you had a chance to try the Maipe Malbec? It's been going around the ol' circle of friends lately and it's quite a crowd-pleaser, especially at $8 a bottle (for the 2008). I know there are plenty of good values in South American Malbec, so I'm wondering what else has stuck out for you as specifically worth checking out lately?

kthxbai
10-19-2009 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by zenfurni
Hey KDawg --

Shifting down the price spectrum for a second, have you had a chance to try the Maipe Malbec? It's been going around the ol' circle of friends lately and it's quite a crowd-pleaser, especially at $8 a bottle (for the 2008). I know there are plenty of good values in South American Malbec, so I'm wondering what else has stuck out for you as specifically worth checking out lately?

kthxbai

I've really liked anything by Kaiken. Not fully sure on the price on them as reps would come in and taste us out, but I do remember them saying that all of their stuff should be under $20

I know that there should be some Malma malbec floating around chicago at both binny's and Wine Discount Center for around $10-12

I'd have to dig through my notes and fully check on some stuff as I don't drink as much malbec as I should since a lot of people come in to buy them

      
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