Is that card at the end of May?

Wow that's a ridiculous card

Damn, that's a GOAT level card.

jesus christ that card



this article on cycling roids is pretty sweet. Blood doping is something I never really hear about. Also, a doctor prescribing HGH and test saying "muscle tone" yeah, you're fired.

So meet up at ufc 187? That's right around wsop time .

Idk if it's mentioned in the article they also have Arvolski-Browne and Benavidez - Moraga scheduled

May 23rd.

By killing the sport I mean this. Once you open pandoras box you cannot close it. I mean this in 2 ways. 1 once these guys reach the level they have gotten to, they cannot stop using these drugs. They will either drop performance significantly, or whats probably going to happen is they will still use and we are going to have high level guys trying to find new ways to get around it, guys will get caught and be gone for 1-2 years.

The other thing I mean is the UFC cant do this, destroy their org and then be like we are stopping drug testing, its all or nothing. You guys think there are a lot of injuries now? Wait until these guys try and get clean and still train like superman. This might be ok for a bit, but really I think this can lead to worse things in the next couple years, sport is gonna be less entertaining and its gonna continue the downward trend.

until the younger and better and non-scum-cheating fighters step up.

or those who have never cheated come out on top while the cheaters falter and disappear, like they should.

Legalize it. It will not be stopped. Bring it back under the supervision of honest doctors and make it safer.

If 50% of athletes would submit to certain death within 5 years for a championship the risk of being banned is a joke.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman%27s_dilemma

no commissions would accept that and the ufc would be the laughing stock of sports

Sure. I don't expect the ufc to lead the way. It just makes sense is all. For all sports. But short of that it is a farce. All prohibition does is turn our heros into cheaters and require the suspension of common sense and any semblance of honesty among us, the fans. It will not be stopped, anyway.

Make it legal. If it is not cheating anymore then why do we care again?

Athlete's health? Bull****. We let athletes destroy their bodies for our entertainment.

Kids will start doing it? They already are.

We just got to because it's wrong and stuff is all that's left.

Am I missing something?

they would take way more **** if it was all legal. It would be devastating and become a very ugly circus.

That's what they say about all prohibition. It is certainly debatable which is worse when all consequences are weighed in most cases.

Or we could replace the fighters with unicorns. Barring some hugely disruptive advancement in testing there is no chance PEDs are going to be eliminated. None.

Legalization, medical supervision, and better research would be a far better approach that has no chance of happening. Most other major sports have settled on tokenism as their approach. The UFC is probably making a mistake if they don't follow suit.

Recently 1%, 6% if it was legal.

At the end of the link.

It's currently 9 months, not 1 year. At least in Nevada.

It depends on what you mean with significant. One year will mean a fighter will miss out on 1-2 fights which will hurt them, but if you compare it to the money they can make from using PED it's nothing. Look at what a guy like Sonnen made from his title fights with Silva, that wouldn't have been possible without PEDs. Look at Silva himself. Consider that fighters will literally double their pay by winning a fight and that most of the money in the sport is at the top and it's way easier to get there with PEDs. One year is NOTHING if you look at the risk/reward.

If the suspension is increased to 2 years and some lower level fighters need to retire and look for other jobs because they cheated I'm OK with that. Or they take a low paying job on the side and hang in there. It'll be tough but it's not supposed to be easy if you get caught cheating.

I think the difference you're overlooking is that NFL is already the biggest sports organization in the US and football is the most popular sport. It's a socially accepted sport and the NFL brass has no reason to think that'll change even if they don't go to war against PEDs (and they seem to be right).

MMA is a sport that have had and still is struggling against the perception that it's a sport for thugs. They are held to a higher standard than the NFL and in order to grow they need extra credibility. If their fighters are on PED it's going to be used against them both when it comes to legal matters like being allowed to put on events in New York and in the eyes of the public.

That said I think there are legit concerns, CC raises some good points, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a careful business decision made for profit.

Another concern (that I heard brought up by Luke Thomas) is that UFC fighters are not employees, they are independent contractors. This means there's a lot of benefits they don't get that employees would (social security, retirement etc). If the UFC are going to suspend fighters for 2-4 years from out of competition testing, you have to ask the question if the fighters don't also deserve to get these benefits. It seems like the fighters are being asked for more than they're getting back here.

I'm sure it was calculated decision but it could very well be a mistake. Drug testing seems to be organizational quick sand. More testing leads to more athletes failing, which leads to demands for more testing, causing more failures, etc. Popping more high profile fighters is going to make the UFC look a lot worse. PEDs and War Machine are the only MMA stories that make it to a lot of news sources. Drug testing is a joke in a lot of sports but nobody cares because there aren't these constant big stories of failed tests driving the narrative.

Yeah I agree with this, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good decision. I'm also not saying it was an easy decision. I'm sure the UFC recognized that all their options here sucked to varying degrees, they just need to try to pick the least bad.

I don't think there's a clear answer if this was a good move or not, I'm not willing see past all the issues it'll create but I'm also not willing to join a "the sky is falling camp". I join the boring camp of "let's wait and see".

That was one small study for a very small subset of runners. Not really a high profile big money and glory sport.

Not saying the 50% is accurate but even if it's 6% it insane to think a year suspension or ban for life is a deterant.

Am I reading that right in that 5% of people questioned gave more of a crap that it was legal than if they were going to die?

lol 9 months, same thing. You keep saying, "they only fight 1-2 a year" like that changes anything. If they fought once a year, that's still their entire income. And Chael made tons because of his mouth, not because he used PEDs. Anderson doesn't double his pay either, he's flat-rate and PPV a lot. If you're arguing all of his accomplishments are from PEDs, then whatever.

I obviously understand the overall point, just saying 1 year isn't nothing like you're all saying. Obviously 2-4 is HUGE and I'm fine with that. I just hope my favorite fighters aren't boneheads.

Might be some more big fights announced today.

I'll just write this off as another LOL PHRESH or I'd probably go insane.