Originally Posted by Donkthatflop

So NL2 till now has been a walk in the park...ok the BB/100 are way over the top and probably not maiintainable and I running slightly good.
Non the less, much monez come directly from idiots that just go all in with K7 and similar crap...




Some hands where I would like your opinion:


HAND 1

UTG+1 – 3 Hands 66/33
MP – 12 Hands 8/8 3bet 0

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1.96
SB: $0.94
BB: $3.98
UTG: $0.65
UTG+1: $3.09
MP: $2.00
Hero (MP+1): $2.36
LP: $2.00
CO: $1.22

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J A

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.33, 3 players) 8 4 K
UTG+1 checks, MP bets $0.22, Hero raises to $0.44, UTG+1 raises to $1.60, MP raises to $1.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.46, UTG+1 calls $0.30

Turn: ($6.03, 3 players) Q
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.03, 3 players) 6
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

UTG+1 shows J K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 8%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
MP shows A K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 66%, Flop 55%, Turn 67%)
Hero mucks J A (High Card, Ace) (Pre 26%, Flop 38%, Turn 29%)
MP wins $5.82

In this hand i cant really say that i played it well, but against two unknowns going all in, and the best they could have on the flop being trips...i think I would hit the nut flush enough times to make the call profitable...but correct me if I am wrong!


HAND 2

Villan 18/0 14Hands 3bet 0


PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1.68
Hero (SB): $4.86
BB: $3.38
UTG: $4.38
UTG+1: $6.11
MP: $0.22
MP+1: $0.66
LP: $1.00
CO: $2.97

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 6 6

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.07, fold, MP+1 calls $0.07, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.28, 4 players) J A 6
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.18, fold, Hero calls $0.18, BB calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.82, 3 players) 8
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.41, Hero calls $0.41, BB calls $0.41

River: ($2.05, 3 players) 9
Hero bets $0.98, BB raises to $2.72 and is all-in, fold, fold

BB wins $3.87

Not many reads on the villan, but I think here I am beat more times than not, since he was extremly passive from the small sample, he could even have top set...I think the fold is good, but would like some info from you


HAND 3


Villan – 17 Hands 37/18

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $4.83
SB: $1.54
Hero (BB): $2.49
UTG: $3.90
UTG+1: $1.40
MP: $2.54
MP+1: $0.96
LP: $2.72
CO: $1.74

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J 2

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.02, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07, 3 players) T 7 2
Hero bets $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, fold

Turn: ($0.19, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $0.12, UTG+1 calls $0.12

River: ($0.43, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.20

UTG+1 shows K Q (High Card, King) (Pre 66%, Flop 29%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows J 2 (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 34%, Flop 71%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins $2.73

The thing I want to comment on this hand is the river part. Although I still have a small sample on the villan, he seems kind of "too loose" and I could´t see him having anything amazing on the river, but on my aggression I think he would fold, so I just c/c or c/r if he would not go all in...what do you think?

Originally Posted by DiggertheDog

Hand 2 raise the turn. As played crycall the river.
Hand 3 - good call. I think you played the hand well although I think the river is close between a plan of bet/call river.

Originally Posted by taglius

you can't just get all in every time you have the nut flush draw on the flop - it's going to hit about a third of the time and miss the other 2/3. We play fast when we think we have a chance of making everyone else fold (doesn't have to be a BIG chance, just SOME chance). Here, against 2 players, I would have called the .22 bet, and folded to UTG+1's checkraise.

Hand 2, you must raise the turn. Not because someone hit a straight and outdrew you, but because you want to win big pots with your big hands.. As soon as you see that 6 hit the flop, you need to come up with the best plan for getting all in on the river. You might be raising the flop or turn depending on opponents/board texture, but don't slowplay to the river.

If you raise and they fold, that's ok. Maybe they have nothing, maybe they have top pair but are good enough to fold it, that's fine.

Originally Posted by esMerel

Hand 1: Flatting OTF is fine. If you want to raise, don't min-raise. Would you min raise a set? Probably not.

Hand 2: Raise OTT. Just because there aren't any draws doesn't mean we can't raise. We get value from AX/2 pair hands. Also, if we c/r OTT, we can lead OTR without donking.

Hand 3: I probably check back OTT/ we aren't getting value from anything, an we're drawing to 10 outs (at max). Also, we're OOP OTR when we miss.

Originally Posted by Perfection

WR def sustainable at NL2

H1 - either call or raise more. Min raise sucks

H2 - c/r turn prob standard at these limits. Dont like donking river but never folding.

H3 - flop/turn is too ambitious imo, but as played river is good.

Originally Posted by Donkthatflop

Played a few more hands and with 6500, I am moving soon to NL5, as at the moment with 20$ in bonus money (10$ for reaching 3000pps and 10$ on the reload promotion of May), I am with a 73$ bankroll.

Still and although the winrate is pretty good, I still feel that I commit to many mistakes and that most of my money come from idiots raising all in pre-flop with 82o...





Hand 1


Villan 61 Hands 13/7 Aggressive 3bet 5,56


PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $0.94
SB: $1.48
BB: $7.22
UTG: $1.22
UTG+1: $0.98
MP: $2.95
MP+1: $2.03
Hero (LP): $3.47
CO: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has T Q

fold, fold, MP calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19, 2 players) Q 7 9
MP checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.43, 2 players) T
MP checks, Hero bets $0.24, MP raises to $2.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.51

River: ($5.93, 2 players) K

MP shows 8 J (Straight, King High) (Pre 37%, Flop 18%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows T Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 63%, Flop 82%, Turn 9%)
MP wins $5.72

Here I know the river shove is very strong but I was never expecting someone with 13/7 to call pre with J8s...anyway what do you think of the river call?




Hand 2

Villan - 4 Hands unknown 50/25


PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $5.72
SB: $0.97
BB: $4.53
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $1.20
MP: $2.56
MP+1: $3.78
LP: $1.96
Hero (CO): $2.27

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.04, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, SB calls $0.11, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) T 8 T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $0.82, SB raises to $0.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.03

Turn: ($2.00, 2 players) A

River: ($2.00, 2 players) 6

SB shows K A (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 42%, Flop 24%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 58%, Flop 76%, Turn 5%)
SB wins $1.93

Here it does not really matter the end result, but against an unknown, the shove is good, right? How many times is he having a T or 88 here?


Hand 3

Villan - 4 hands unknown ... 50/0…

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1.29
SB: $1.00
BB: $2.00
Hero (UTG): $2.24
UTG+1: $1.74
MP: $2.13
MP+1: $2.21
LP: $2.07
CO: $4.66

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 5 5

Hero raises to $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.06, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.21, 3 players) 5 7 Q
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, fold

Turn: ($0.41, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $0.16, BTN raises to $0.32, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($1.05, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 54%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks Q A (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 46%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $1.01

How should I have played here? I was afraid that him as an unknown has some wierd straight...

Originally Posted by Donkthatflop

So I've been playing NL5 Zoom lately and I am finding it much more difficult. I get 3betted a lot and I tend to be more aggressiver, which i dunno if it is good or not...I am winning at 3,34 BB /100 but still think that I am playing poorly..I need to read more and study more.
Sometimes playing 4 tables zoom is to quick to study anything...




Here are some hands I have doubts on...

Hand 1 - Villan complete unknown


PokerStars - $0.05 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $4.57
SB: $4.17
BB: $15.45
UTG: $7.75
UTG+1: $1.10
Hero (MP): $5.30
MP+1: $16.93
LP: $3.85
CO: $1.92

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.05, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.12, 2 players) 3 9 8
BB bets $14.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.25 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.62, 2 players) 3

River: ($10.62, 2 players) 5

BB shows K A (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 43%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Threes) (Pre 57%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins $10.18

First of all the raised from the BB pre looked very weak...but should I have flatted or is the raise ok? Calling that shove, is it ok or maybe a bit of a tilt?


Hand 2 - Villan 21/14 solid

PokerStars - $0.05 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $5.17
SB: $19.55
Hero (BB): $5.44
UTG: $8.99
UTG+1: $12.54
MP: $7.42
MP+1: $3.32
LP: $7.54
CO: $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.05, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.05, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.17, 3 players) A 9 7
Hero bets $0.10, MP+1 calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.47, 3 players) T
Hero checks, MP+1 checks, BTN bets $0.31, Hero raises to $0.95, fold, BTN raises to $2.08, Hero calls $1.13

River: ($4.63, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.94 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.94

BTN shows 8 J (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 46%, Flop 21%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows 7 A (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 54%, Flop 79%, Turn 9%)
BTN wins $10.07

I know the shove call is bad on the river, but what about the rest of the hand...I just cant seem to imagine that J8 in his range...