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11-30-2014 , 09:31 PM
Merge - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players

MP: $9.37 (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP+1: $10.00 (VPIP: 31.20, PFR: 19.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 513)
CO: $12.21 (VPIP: 48.43, PFR: 15.70, 3Bet Preflop: 11.25, Hands: 228)
BTN: $11.05 (VPIP: 12.32, PFR: 7.20, 3Bet Preflop: 1.21, Hands: 991)
SB: $14.68 (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BB: $5.36 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (UTG): $10.28
UTG+1: $14.41 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 9

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $1.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) A Q T
Hero bets $1.12, MP+1 calls $1.12

Turn: ($4.49, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $4.49, MP+1 calls $4.49

River: ($13.47, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, MP+1 bets $3.34 and is all-in
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11-30-2014 , 09:58 PM
i would guess that folding to the pf 3bet is correct

and i would also guess that the flop donk is bad

but nlhe is not my main game

perhaps you could explain your thought process
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11-30-2014 , 10:27 PM
PF-Opening small suited aces like that UTG is pretty bad, calling the 3bet is worse
Flop- Calling here is okay, we have some showdown value and raising isolates us vs stronger hands
Turn- I think here is raise or fold, V's bet commits us to the pot and we're bottom of his value range if he bets the river, we lose to QQ, TT, AQ. Also, I don't think you're gonna get three streets of value out of AK I'd just fold here tbh, this is a classic overvaluing two pair spot
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11-30-2014 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar

perhaps you could explain your thought process
This. There's a ton of mistakes in this hand.
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11-30-2014 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tavore93
Flop- Calling here is okay, we have some showdown value and raising isolates us vs stronger hands
Turn- I think here is raise or fold, V's bet commits us to the pot and we're bottom of his value range if he bets the river, we lose to QQ, TT, AQ. Also, I don't think you're gonna get three streets of value out of AK I'd just fold here tbh, this is a classic overvaluing two pair spot
Hero is the one betting.
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11-30-2014 , 10:34 PM
ooh my bad, in that case it's a pretty bad bet there. I'd rather take a cheap showdown
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12-01-2014 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Tavore93
PF-Opening small suited aces like that UTG is pretty bad, calling the 3bet is worse
The open is fine. Obviously calling the 3bet is bad though.
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12-01-2014 , 09:02 AM
I wouldn't be opening with this hand pre-flop from UTG 8 handed. You're more than likely going to be playing the hand out of position and apart from hitting the flush or some kind of flush draw/pair combo, there are't a lot of good flops for this hand. What's worse is that even when you do flop top pair you could very well be out-kicked (since people like playing Ax hands) and end up shovelling money into a pot in which you were never ahead in the first place.

After the raise I'm definitely folding. Villain looks to be aggressive and your hand doesn't play that well versus his 3bet range.
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12-02-2014 , 12:49 PM
Your main learning point to take away from this hand is DONT RAISE A9s UTG. Your under the gun because your out of position on every one in this hand bar the blinds...so many more people to act after you....they could have JJ QQ KK AA AK AQ AJ AT...and if any of that calls/3bets and you go up against it your walking straight into a trap.

Keep your range UTG very tight...so say TT plus and AK...I think that is my range UTG...you win in poker by having your 3 forces....SKILL, CARD STRENGTH AND POSITION. Try and play hands in position....3bet in position to fish..take advantage of their calling tendencies....and murder them post flop.

Take it easy mate
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12-02-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh25nl
Your main learning point to take away from this hand is DONT RAISE A9s UTG.
No, that isn't the main learning point to take away from the hand.
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12-02-2014 , 09:06 PM
Don't call 3b PF
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12-07-2014 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh25nl

Keep your range UTG very tight...so say TT plus and AK...
FR dies
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12-07-2014 , 02:06 PM
Or is fine. Fold to a 3b

As played why donk flop? Easy xc flop and turn
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12-07-2014 , 04:08 PM
Preflop IS the biggest problem here because it creates the tough spot... A9s is a very, very light open UTG full ring.

As played it appears we gave little to no consideration for villains hand and only got enamored with our own. This flop hits a 3bet range pretty hard... And we still choose to donk half pot... then despite being called on the turn we say "we got even better! Pot it!" Which in turn gets us pot stuck with the reality that we aren't getting all in here unless we are beat or villain will stack off AK here (and 2 of 4 aces are already accounted for).

This type of board and action is why A9 so frequently turns up 2nd best hands and 2nd best hands cost us lots of $$

Fold pre. If not immediately (& I would immediately) definitely after the 3 bet
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12-07-2014 , 04:34 PM
Nits itt
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12-07-2014 , 07:37 PM
I reckon pre-flop is your biggest mistake. I wouldn't play A9s utg in the first place but that's just me. At least if you do open A9s I definitely wouldn't be calling the 3 bet. A lot of the time you're going to be up against pocket pairs which is a coinflip at best or even bigger aces. A10, AJ, AQ, AK etc.

Postflop, I would probably just check. You could be value owning yourself against set's and 2 pair Since like I said he definitely has pocket Q's or 10's in his range. Aswell as AQ & AK.
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